Hawthorn - Crataegus

Rui Marques Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:31 am

Hi
In February 2008, the wanderings bit of grass that is in front of my parents' house, come across an excellent example. Its trunk was as high as about 2.5 m high, since the location of the penetration of sunlight is a scarcity and thus he tries to get her the most.

February 2008

Hawthorn - Crataegus Crataegus_Fev_2008_A

Hawthorn - Crataegus Crataegus_Fev_2008_A

Hawthorn - Crataegus Crataegus_Fev_2008_B

Hawthorn - Crataegus Crataegus_Fev_2008_C

September 2010

Hawthorn - Crataegus Crataegus002

At present time, this project has a twist, let it be needed.

Gone is "puppy", leaving only the "father", though shorter. The shoots that were formed three months ago.

August 2011

Hawthorn - Crataegus Agosto_2011_Imagem088

Hawthorn - Crataegus Agosto_2011_Imagem088

Hawthorn - Crataegus Agosto_2011_Imagem087

Any coments, virtuals will be very welcome.

Guest Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:56 pm

Hi Rui Marques

I would, if possible, try to make a shohin out of the tree...

Kind regards Yvonne

Russell Coker Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:19 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote: I would, if possible, try to make a shohin out of the tree...

With what?? I must be missing something. Yvonne, could you please explain your thoughts?

Thanks!

R

Guest Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:26 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Rui Marques

I would, if possible, try to make a shohin out of the tree...

Kind regards Yvonne

I am with Yvonne on this... the tree has NO endearing qualities... the original would have made a good catapult though!

Chopping the tree and creating a Shohin is the way to go... stop pussyfooting around the tree as it stands will not make a good bonsai

Rui Marques Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:57 pm

Thanks for your coments,

I think a shohin wil be the most reasonable option. If dorothy (dorothy7774) is seeing this post, i would ask her if she could give a drawing of a possible shohin for this haw.

Rui Marques Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:59 pm

Tony, what do you mean by "the original would have made a good catapult though!" ?

Russell Coker Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:13 pm

Tony, I agree that there's not much potential there. I guess my point was that I don't see much of a future with shohin either, but I guess we won't know until it's cut back to a stump and allowed to pop back out.

Rui, there is nothing to make a virt with. At this point it could be anything. And I think Tony's catapult comment was to say that you dug a fairly worthless piece of material that doesn't offer you many options in the way of bonsai styling - no taper, no interesting movement, no interesting branches, etc. Tony, please correct me if I've misspoken.

R

Rui Marques Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:29 pm

Hi Russel, your comments are welcome. In the particulary zone of Portugal that i founs this haw, the crataegus species is very abundant, but verticaly straight. so is not very easy to find a good one. lets see what i can do with this.

Russell Coker Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:41 pm

Rui, same here!! We have several species of native hawthorns, and they all look EXACTLY like yours. Finding one with any redeeming qualities is nearly impossible which is why I don't have any in pots! I'd kill to have one like the beauties I see posted here on this forum.

R

my nellie Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:55 pm

Same species of hawthorns (indifferent i.e.) also here in Greece.
One cannot find those with the rough bark, only these smooth barked poles....

But I was thinking that the technique which is described by jgeanangel in his thread Working with Bald Cypress perhaps could offer some kind of decent solution
Anyone experienced will you please comment on that.
Thank you.

Guest Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:14 pm

Rui Marques wrote:Tony, what do you mean by "the original would have made a good catapult though!" ?

Mário Eusébio Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:30 pm

Hi Rui!

The folks here are direct but this the best way to rise Your skills and make your level higher . In one of the Portuguese's forum more or less the same was told about this same tree! Sometimes it is better leave the tree just were it was! Yamadori it's not just collecting trees in the wild, it's all about collect GOOD and few trees!!

Your zone is one of the best place to find good Hawthorn's in Portugal, You just have to look for them Wink

! This are 2 of mines that come from there Wink

Sorry for posting the images in your post, but it was only to explain what you can find in Your zone or nearby.

The shohin option is the only option in relatively short time to have a bonsai, but You can leave the tree in the ground for years, chop, trim, bla, bla and have a tree!

Tony , I love the British humor ! Very Happy

Best regards,

Mário Eusébio

Rui Marques Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:35 pm

Here are the new developments, after reppoting one month ago:

Hawthorn - Crataegus Fev_2012_A

Regards

RKatzin Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:05 pm

Hi Rui, I'd like to hear what others say, but I think I would have planted to trunk on an angle, about 40 degrees, and then choose a branch and a leader for the trunk.

Rui Marques Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:13 pm

RKatzin wrote:Hi Rui, I'd like to hear what others say, but I think I would have planted to trunk on an angle, about 40 degrees, and then choose a branch and a leader for the trunk.

Thanks RKatzin, now, with the new branch development i'll have the chance to figure out what will be the next step.

Rui Marques Mon May 28, 2012 10:01 am

An update:

In April 2012

Hawthorn - Crataegus Abril_2012

In May 2012, I cut the branches to start creating some ramification.

Hawthorn - Crataegus Maio_2012_A

Regards.

**fiona** Mon May 28, 2012 10:48 am

Hi Rui.

Just my opinion and a bit late now for this year, but I think you need to decide what direction this tree is to take before you do any further pruning. I may be wrong but I'm not getting a sense of the intended design from your photo sequence. If I am wrong - my apologies.

Unlike some of the others, I don't think you are wasting your time with this tree and here is the reason why:

I inherited this as a stump about 6 years - it is about 25cm tall and has a diameter of approx. 9cm. Over the years I have just it do its own thing but I have always had an overall shape in mind so I can decide which branches to prune and which to let grow. It is slowly but surely getting there and while it will not be a Noelanders Trophy winner, I am quite happy with it as it represents probably the first tree I have truly developed all by myself from yamadori.

I'd say work out your intended design (let us see it too, if you can) and then go for it.

my nellie Tue May 29, 2012 7:47 am

fiona wrote: ... ... Unlike some of the others, I don't think you are wasting your time with this tree and here is the reason why:
... ... and while it will not be a Noelanders Trophy winner, I am quite happy with it as it represents probably the first tree I have truly developed all by myself from yamadori.
I'd say work out your intended design (let us see it too, if you can) and then go for it.

Fiona's view is worth taking into serious consideration, dear Rui Marques. I am completely with her opinion, too.

Guest Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:01 am

Hi Rui

It was a mistake not to tilt the tree, as soon as you had the advise, this way you would have had a natural leader, and a first branch to the other side, a perfect way to start a tree...It may not be too late, but now you may have to vire. A trunk starting straight out of the soil, is close to always boring, unless you are going to create a style. Angels are interesting.
Now you have many branches, you cant decide witch ones to keep...they can very well give an inverted taper, while you think. If you had tilted the stump, and kept only the two decired branches, had you been well on your way.

Kind regards Yvonne

Rui Marques Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:10 pm

fiona wrote:I'd say work out your intended design (let us see it too, if you can) and then go for it.

Hi Fiona,

This is what i intend to do:

Hawthorn - Crataegus R2C_0237ofw

By Walter Pall

my nellie Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:40 pm

Hello, Rui!

Do you have any update photos of your hawthorn, please?

Thank you!

MrFancyPlants Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:09 pm

Yes, Please an update. I appreciate the progress you have made so far on the material and also your ability to take the feedback you've received constructively. That is a valuable trait.

Guest Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:27 am

Oh yes me too would like an update, because I dont see anything boring with your straight trunk because of the size... or post an update after the first growth of this year Smile

thanks

Rui Marques Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Hi all,
Good to see your interest, but unfortunately this haw made his trip to other place, a friend of mine took it.

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