Collected Elm with deadwood
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Jay Gaydosh
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Paul B (Scotland)
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Collected Elm with deadwood
Hi to all at IBC,
Firstly, congratulations for hosting such a great forum.
I've followed many threads here but haven't posted anything of my own before.
I enjoy the banter here and being a fairly thick skinned Scotsman, I reckon I can take the good humoured abuse that goes on here.
I've been interested in bonsai for the last 6 years. Most of these 6 years have been spent learning to keep my trees alive, doing some basic pruning and re-potting. I collected most of the trees I have, although looking back, most of them should have been left in the ground for several more years. I'm sure most of you out there have done the same, I can now walk past 2 year old seedlings and leave them alone - 6 years ago I would have collected them thinking I had some potential bonsai masterpiece.
Please feel free to comment, offer advice, critisise or create virtuals of any image I post here.
This one's an Elm I collected a 3 years ago. It came from a clump of Cork Bark Elm's, but unfortunately this one didn't have the same cork bark as the others. The taper of the trunk caught my eye as I dug around the base and I decided to collect it. It spent 2 years in a 16 inch plastic plant pot and I re-potted into this Erin pot last year. I'm happy with the trunk taper and the branch placement. I'll work on ramification of the branches over the next few years.
Here's photos from 4 different angles. Photo 3 is my choice as a front, I think this angle shows the taper and features of the trunk at their best.
My problems with this one concern the deadwood areas. I hope to hollow out the top section of the trunk and continue the shari I started last year, however, the only way I can stop the bark peeling away from the trunk is to apply wound sealant to the cut edge. Will this 'grow out' as the edge of the bark repairs itself or will it be left like this? The bark is sponge like and about 2-3mm thick.
I'm also unsure of what to do with the deadwood on the botton left of the trunk. The two cut ends need work to take off the cut edges. I like the detail of the deadwood, but I'm not sure how long it will last unless I treat it with wood hardener.
Any help, advice, thoughts or ideas are much appreciated.
Thanks.
Paul
Firstly, congratulations for hosting such a great forum.
I've followed many threads here but haven't posted anything of my own before.
I enjoy the banter here and being a fairly thick skinned Scotsman, I reckon I can take the good humoured abuse that goes on here.
I've been interested in bonsai for the last 6 years. Most of these 6 years have been spent learning to keep my trees alive, doing some basic pruning and re-potting. I collected most of the trees I have, although looking back, most of them should have been left in the ground for several more years. I'm sure most of you out there have done the same, I can now walk past 2 year old seedlings and leave them alone - 6 years ago I would have collected them thinking I had some potential bonsai masterpiece.
Please feel free to comment, offer advice, critisise or create virtuals of any image I post here.
This one's an Elm I collected a 3 years ago. It came from a clump of Cork Bark Elm's, but unfortunately this one didn't have the same cork bark as the others. The taper of the trunk caught my eye as I dug around the base and I decided to collect it. It spent 2 years in a 16 inch plastic plant pot and I re-potted into this Erin pot last year. I'm happy with the trunk taper and the branch placement. I'll work on ramification of the branches over the next few years.
Here's photos from 4 different angles. Photo 3 is my choice as a front, I think this angle shows the taper and features of the trunk at their best.
My problems with this one concern the deadwood areas. I hope to hollow out the top section of the trunk and continue the shari I started last year, however, the only way I can stop the bark peeling away from the trunk is to apply wound sealant to the cut edge. Will this 'grow out' as the edge of the bark repairs itself or will it be left like this? The bark is sponge like and about 2-3mm thick.
I'm also unsure of what to do with the deadwood on the botton left of the trunk. The two cut ends need work to take off the cut edges. I like the detail of the deadwood, but I'm not sure how long it will last unless I treat it with wood hardener.
Any help, advice, thoughts or ideas are much appreciated.
Thanks.
Paul
Paul B (Scotland)- Member
collected elm
If this were my tree,i would rout the top flat part down to meet what you have started but not much farther down. loose the bottom jin all togather. then wire your new apex up some to make it flow with the trunk.. this is just my opion or you could send it to me !! i like the tree. john w. va.
moyogijohn- Member
Re: Collected Elm with deadwood
Hi Paul... great to have you here on IBC another Scot eh! way too many on this forum for my liking... better than a southern softie thought!
Tree has potential but I would concentrate on growing a broom for the top of the trunk and remove the lower branches
BTW I moved the post to 'Questions' for you.
Tree has potential but I would concentrate on growing a broom for the top of the trunk and remove the lower branches
BTW I moved the post to 'Questions' for you.
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Tony. Were'nt you a southern softie thought?Tony wrote:Hi Paul... great to have you here on IBC another Scot eh! way too many on this forum for my liking... better than a southern softie thought!
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will baddeley wrote:Tony. Were'nt you a southern softie thought?Tony wrote:Hi Paul... great to have you here on IBC another Scot eh! way too many on this forum for my liking... better than a southern softie thought!
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He would be... to a Scot!
Sorry, I'm a Scottish Yank. AND PROUD OR IT!
Jay
Jay Gaydosh- Member
Re: Collected Elm with deadwood
Come on Will you’re the Elm master around here. Give the guy some pointers as to how he could style this tree. Personally I’d suggest cutting all the growth off and develop a broom style.
Btw welcome to the forum Paul and don’t forget you’re hard hat.
Btw welcome to the forum Paul and don’t forget you’re hard hat.
Fuzzy- Member
Re: Collected Elm with deadwood
Fuzzy wrote:Come on Will you’re the Elm master around here. Give the guy some pointers as to how he could style this tree. Personally I’d suggest cutting all the growth off and develop a broom style.
Btw welcome to the forum Paul and don’t forget you’re hard hat.
Sorry Fuzz but I can't recomend anything at the mo. I'm at work all night and the bloody internet does'nt let anyone view pics. Ive got so fed up with it I bought a laptop and dongle today, but I must be doing something wrong as it wont open the internet
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I hate it my dongles wont open Will
I would loose the deadwood as others have advised & then look for a fairly small tree by choosing the lowest sprout for a new leader.
I would loose the deadwood as others have advised & then look for a fairly small tree by choosing the lowest sprout for a new leader.
NeilDellinger- Member
Re: Collected Elm with deadwood
As Neil and the above have said, lose the deadwood. i like the shot with the wide base but the leader will never make a convincing top in this direction,in my opinion. I think I would also go for the shorter option, cutting an asymetrical v between branches 2 and 3.
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Will, Tony is now officially a naturalised Northerner.
Even if he is a bit posh.
Even if he is a bit posh.
Harleyrider- Member
Re: Collected Elm with deadwood
Thanks for the replies folks,
I can see the sense in opting for a shorter broom style, it's just getting over the fact that I have to loose most of the tree (that I thought was heading in the right direction ) to take it to the next stage.
Something like this then?
Will - I've read that a straight cut is an option over the V cut you suggested, is there any advantage in the V cut? Early spring the best time to do the chop?
Tony - thanks for the welcome and for moving this for me. It didn't look right sitting in the same section as some of Pavels trees
Fuzzy - thanks, hardhat on for my next tree - a larch, so at least I cant be advised to do another V cut
If anyone had suggested keeping the dead wood at the top of this tree what would have been your advice on the cut edge of the bark? Is cut paste the way to seal it or should it be left to heal itself with no sealant?
Thanks
Paul
I can see the sense in opting for a shorter broom style, it's just getting over the fact that I have to loose most of the tree (that I thought was heading in the right direction ) to take it to the next stage.
Something like this then?
Will - I've read that a straight cut is an option over the V cut you suggested, is there any advantage in the V cut? Early spring the best time to do the chop?
Tony - thanks for the welcome and for moving this for me. It didn't look right sitting in the same section as some of Pavels trees
Fuzzy - thanks, hardhat on for my next tree - a larch, so at least I cant be advised to do another V cut
If anyone had suggested keeping the dead wood at the top of this tree what would have been your advice on the cut edge of the bark? Is cut paste the way to seal it or should it be left to heal itself with no sealant?
Thanks
Paul
Paul B (Scotland)- Member
Re: Collected Elm with deadwood
Hello Paul, all is not lost. Your v cut on the virtual, is about right but keep the second and third branches in place.The v cut will heal over a lot quicker than a straight cut,especially if you leave the suggested branches to grow freely for a season. Wrapping some cut hosepipe around the cut and wiring it tightly,will force the healing into the cut, avoiding any inverse taper. Put the tree in a larger pot and you will shorten the ammount of time in re developing the tree. Elms are fast growers when fed well and given some free reign in a larger pot. This trunk has bags of potential.
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Paul, I hate for you to loose the whole tree... the 4th pic. there is a small branch close to the top middle of the tree cut slant there use the branches already there even if you trim them back let the small branch be the apex and let it grow to catch up..my opion only...john
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