French Atlantic coast stones

Hello Yvonne,
Thank you.
Harria and all other members, we are all fellow students on the path of live.
As i was not thinking of seats yet, i was pleasantly surprised to see this stone on a daiza. (The way you do yoseki )
I was surprised as well to learn that you see this stone as a doha ishi as for me it has not such a calm character if seen from all sides.
That is partial because of my remembrance of the wind and constant swelling of the wild seas as the rocks are washed over by the rising and falling swirling waves on the extreme place i found this stone.
Maybe it could also be seen as a airaiso- or iwagata ishi or a stone with the pattern and shape of waves and rain like amagata ishi
if one would try to classify in Japanese way?
Sunip

Hi Sunip! Happy Holidays
I have been enjoying your post and reading it carefully.
I like your viewing stones very much, show your trained eye!
So much diversity in shapes, materials and categories.
In this one I see a Large Majestic Swan, peacefully swimming.
Proud large male bird with many white ruffled tail feathers...
Stonener



IMHO a suiban with a little water or as is "SUISEKI"
*i understand rule, figures not in suiban, but water reinforces scene*

Hello Stonener.
The stone has indeed a male character.
In the lying position it evokes for me on the moment primarily a rock-landscape image
but indeed (among others) with the reminiscence of a strong bird behind it.
This curious merge triggers many thoughts, feelings and lessons to learn.

Gratitude
Aah where are the securing guidelines
have they vanished on the path to free evocation?
Sunip

Stone no. 15
The red spots are some remaining seaweed.
14-10-5,5 cm.
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Hello,
A desert stone from the coast.
I am not sure if this one stays, maybe i enjoy it in the garden.
26-16-10 cm.
stone no. 16


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Stone no.17
16,5-12-8 cm.
How one could classify such stones?
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Another desert stone from the coast.
23,5-18,5-7 cm.
stone no. 18
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Hello,
Little cliff 13-10-3,5 cm.
stone no. 19
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sunip wrote:Hello,
A desert stone from the coast.
I am not sure if this one stays, maybe i enjoy it in the garden.
26-16-10 cm.
stone no. 16


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Hi Sunip,

Is the yellow color on the stone sulphur mineral or not?
It maybe sedimentary stone.

Best wishes

HuuHiep

Sunip you ask how could one classify such stones?
"If beautiful stone, "BISEKI", even if not carved, shaped or polished.
When colorful material and or pretty to look at, then enough.
I have been told!, but offered as expert on nothing...

There is also classification "SABA" which means rustic,
term I was once told by a famous Japanese suiseki scholar.
Many of the very best Japanese chrysanthemum stones are this type.

[quote="HuuHiep"]
Is the yellow color on the stone sulphur mineral or not?
It maybe sedimentary stone.

Hello Huu Hiep
Looking at the pictures it shows a bit as sulphur directly out of a volcano indeed,
the light colored layers in the stone are softer then the dark parts
and contain iron i think, there could be sulphur as well.
Maybe some mineral flow together with sediment and tectonic movement???
Maybe i should study the geological data of the area.
Sunip

Hello Stonener.
Thank you.
I asked philosophically, about how one could classify such stones.
A Saba-Biseki Rustic Viewing Stone would be a safe and easy classification indeed.
On the other hand you can imagine, when i have the stone in my hand i feel lucky the stone is himself and telling his own stories.
Nice fairy tale chrysanthemum stone you show us,
it is like a kimono which would go by the following;

snow flakes at night
the winter blossoms
will i smell them in the morning?
Sunip

My Friend!

Again this morning
you fill my heart
and put a smile on my face

stonener

Little mountain
10-5-4 cm.
stone no.20

Hello to all,
Which side would you prefer?
13-7-3 cm.
stone no. 21
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Hello, here the continuation of my report from my spring adventure 2012, with a stone i picked up for some reason.
This stone is the only one till now where i altered the bottom side.
There where the normal logical-funny choices; - or somewhere in the garden - or a bit of experimenting - or just leaving it as it is.
Anyway; the result gives me an unpleasant feeling when i take it in my hand.
The hand tells me, there is a mountain image ok but in the main time the stone lost something essential for me.
So i contemplate if i should sacrifice a stone to gain an image, as an image is personal and only during for the moment.
The way of life i feel suiseki is, is about deepening by allowing the mind to be free,
meaning; the opinion-less observing of the ever changing images who appear in the mind when observing nature.
Would the same unaltered stone have given me and others, more deepening in the end then the altered stone?
Is this typically human inclination to alter nature to secure an temporary image, which we indicate as creativity,
the only way, or can we enter on a path of creativity beyond this?
Just observing some thoughts that pass in my mind.

22-13,5-5,5 cm.
Stone no. 22
Sunip
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Hi Sunip

Are you in short saying, you cut the stone, and regrett?

Kind regards Yvonne

Hello Yvonne,
Thank you for this direct question as it allows me to examine it closer.
If the stone had a natural flat bottom i would have a good feeling.
This is however not really an answer to your question.
There is much discussion about -to cut or not to cut-, so i dived in to it,
now i try to learn from the result of MY decision.
Maybe the phenomena goes beyond the duality of a yes or no as we know it.
My decision to alter the bottom, placed the appreciation of the stone in an other realm,
is this enough for me personally?
Now i have to accept the less dimensionality; by steering nature this way i created a limitation in the free evocation
and my own creativity shuts a for me irresistible door.
My decision to alter, shows me there is Wabi Sabi or there is no Wabi Sabi, there is no in between.
Mostly we appreciate Wabi sabi by the pay off of it, but that is not Wabi Sabi itself, this pay off is then creatively reproduced widely.
This is ok when it satisfactory for an individual.
With the pay off i mean the result from it in architecture, art and life, we all like.
In other words as artist i try to get beyond my artistry i practiced for many years.
No altering or searching but a free mind to appreciate the richness which is already there.
I have to state however these thoughts are personal and i appreciate and enjoy each persons development.
Some thoughts of the day.
Sunip

Mountain or a cliff-rock,
16-8-5 cm.
stone no. 22
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Small granite mountain,
not succeeded in picturing the right color.
12,5-8,5-5 cm.
stone no.23




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sunip wrote:Hello Yvonne,
Thank you for this direct question as it allows me to examine it closer.
If the stone had a natural flat bottom i would have a good feeling.
This is however not really an answer to your question.
There is much discussion about -to cut or not to cut-, so i dived in to it,
now i try to learn from the result of MY decision.
Maybe the phenomena goes beyond the duality of a yes or no as we know it.
My decision to alter the bottom, placed the appreciation of the stone in an other realm,
is this enough for me personally?
Now i have to accept the less dimensionality; by steering nature this way i created a limitation in the free evocation
and my own creativity shuts a for me irresistible door.
My decision to alter, shows me there is Wabi Sabi or there is no Wabi Sabi, there is no in between.
Mostly we appreciate Wabi sabi by the pay off of it, but that is not Wabi Sabi itself, this pay off is then creatively reproduced widely.
This is ok when it satisfactory for an individual.
With the pay off i mean the result from it in architecture, art and life, we all like.
In other words as artist i try to get beyond my artistry i practiced for many years.
No altering or searching but a free mind to appreciate the richness which is already there.
I have to state however these thoughts are personal and i appreciate and enjoy each persons development.
Some thoughts of the day.
Sunip

Hello Sunip ,
I understand what you say , but i can not write what i say , because I ' m poor in English .
I agree completely with your last post .
I would also like to add :
We always require stone ... each day more nicer ... and we throught that we forever intro by stone nicer ,and more nicer ...
In fact , although we have not found the most beautiful ... ( beautiful champion ... ) But all this passion and search time ... It make our hearts a lot nicer and a lot more freedom .
Thank you very much your share .
Sincerely ,
Hưng - Trần .

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But all this passion and search time ... It make our hearts a lot nicer and a lot more freedom .

Hello Hưng - Trần,
I wish you and all the other IBC members an adventures and peace full new year,
i hope we are able to use each opportunity to learn and deepen humanity.
Sunip

[quote="sunip"]

trantanhung_nt wrote:
But all this passion and search time ... It make our hearts a lot nicer and a lot more freedom .

Hello Hưng - Trần,
I wish you and all the other IBC members an adventures and peace full new year,
i hope we are able to use each opportunity to learn and deepen humanity.
Sunip

Many thanks...and yes, lets hope everything will be better.
Happy new year to you , and everybody else.

Kind regards yvonne

Granit with a pattern of small white-pink spots.
I knew there was this type of granite in the area but found not much, my hand took only this stone.
16-10,5-5 cm.
stone no. 24

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Hello to All,
Stone no. 25
10,5-7,5-5,5 cm.
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