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Post  Smithy on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:02 pm

I have this hawthorn which all the time i see another tree in. A few i have asked have said to keep it as it is. My instinct tells me it would be much better with a change seeings as it has such a long trunk.
I was wondering what others thought.

As it is today




This is what i see in it all the time. Even sometimes without the bottom branch.


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Post  chris on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:42 pm

Hi Neil
I remember this tree from a few years ago, its put on some good growth, why don't you get it down here again and we can have a coffee. and there are 2 great collected pines from Anthony waiting for you to pick up.

Regards Chris

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Post  Smithy on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:47 pm

Hi Chris ,
Thanks for the reply,after i brought it down last time i repotted it and it was hell of a job as it had not been done for a very long time . It sulked last year after the root work but now is a lot healthier. Thats a good idea to come and see you as its been a while now. I've been a bit busy lately digging up my hedge on the weekends but have a bit more time . I'll be in touch soon and come down. Look forward to it
Cheers Smithy

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Post  Smithy on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:02 pm

This was it at repot time


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Post  marcus watts on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:39 pm

hi everyone,
this struck me as a possible too


which ever way it is a dynamic tree but needs something to lessen the impact of the long bare trunk

have fun with it,

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Post  will baddeley on Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:05 am

Perhaps......

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Post  Sakaki on Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:59 am

Hi Smithy,

May I kindly ask why you do not consider shortening the trunk, if you are not happy with its current form (its height)?
If not, why?
I know that hawthorns tolerate this.

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Post  Smithy on Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:43 pm

Marcus and Will , thanks for the virtuals ,they both are an improvement on its original design. I usually just go ahead and do things if i feel its the way to go but i'm taking my time with this one and getting outside input.

Sakaki- its true the hawthorn will tolerate it . I have a few trees that are short ,I don't have one with a trunk like this. I want to use what it has and make something a bit different . If i chop it , it will be like loads of trees i could go out and dig up. Nothing special. I think with a bit of work this one could be an eye catcher.

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Post  Smithy on Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:52 pm

Marcus, the only problem with your design is at the bottom of the trunk to the right there is a big piece of trunk with roots attached . That would mean a deep pot. I know its not such a problem really. It did make me smile your virt as i had never looked at putting the trunk like that.

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Post  Sakaki on Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:39 pm

Smithy wrote:Marcus and Will , thanks for the virtuals ,they both are an improvement on its original design. I usually just go ahead and do things if i feel its the way to go but i'm taking my time with this one and getting outside input.

Sakaki- its true the hawthorn will tolerate it . I have a few trees that are short ,I don't have one with a trunk like this. I want to use what it has and make something a bit different . If i chop it , it will be like loads of trees i could go out and dig up. Nothing special. I think with a bit of work this one could be an eye catcher.

I see! Ok, here is my idea for you:

I think the space I marked with red circle bothers you, right?



I thought, you can put a nice rock under trunk, and select a more suitable pot. So, we can obtain something like this:



I know that pot and my drawing is not so good, but I am sure you can find better ones Smile
I just wanted to give you an idea!

Good luck
Taner

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Post  Smithy on Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:46 pm

I must say I do like the look of the tree with the rock.The only problem i would see with it is moving the thing around. Thats going to be a big rock to fill that space ,its a pretty big tree.

I like having these ideas as I'm not set on any yet ,even though the one i did is the one that grabs me the most. Ive lived with it for two years looking at it so I'm not going to rush and do any thing to it till the end of the season.As it is and filled out it would be a nice tree but the top is just too big for the size of trunk i feel.

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Post  moyogijohn on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:35 am

WILL,S ,,Vertile idea looks good with the long trunk and the tight foliage.. my opion only..take care john

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Post  Smithy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:42 pm

moyogijohn wrote:WILL,S ,,Vertile idea looks good with the long trunk and the tight foliage.. my opion only..take care john

Hi John , yes I agree that wills option is a good one. its going to be hard to decide . Hopefully when i take it to see Chris I'll get some ideas off him. Its different when the tree is in front of you .

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Post  Oliver Muscio on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:17 pm

For what it's worth, I was thinking along the lines of Will's virtual before I saw it. The long branch trailing down the top of the trunk bothers me, and I like Will's more compact design.
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Post  Smithy on Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:04 pm

Here is how this one is coming along. I'm grafting some roots on to improve the nebari . I will then be able to remove other unwanted roots.
I'm going more for a winter image .








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Hi Smithy

Post  tap pi lu on Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:50 am

I think you've owned it for too long, so you want to change the style of it. for me, it is too beautiful

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Post  abcd on Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:03 am

With hawthorn, it's very easy in november breaking and and folding the trunk to the front face witn  large raphia, and big wires , you would remove the soft curve of the trunk at this point and make a more compact tree.
A lot off new buds will appears on this breaking point
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Post  Smithy on Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:14 am

I'm quite liking the tree now and won't be breaking the trunk .

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Post  Twisted Trees on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:52 pm

It's such an unusual tree. Throw it away and get a Japanese Maple. (Why is it a Japanese Maple and not a Japan Maple?)

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Post  dre on Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:52 pm

smithy i really like your tree reminds me of a larch i have which design wise is a possibility for you if you like it


late winter


taken yesterday

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Post  AlainK on Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:19 am

Twisted Trees wrote: (Why is it a Japanese Maple and not a Japan Maple?)
Probably because Scots pine is not English oak Very Happy 

@ Smithy:

thumbs up

I love your hawthorn. I've seen one from a French friend that looks pretty much like yours, and if this styling is unusual for such a species, I find it very aesthetic. Should be gorgeous when in flower.

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Trunk reduction.....???

Post  MKBonsai on Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:40 am

I'd air layer the top half to reduce the size of it, which might also provide an opportunity to rotate it 90 degrees as per your suggestion in one of the images you created, and then create a slanting style second tree from the bottom half.
I have a similar tree myself that I'm doing exactly this to - I'll post a photo of it when I can find it!
I can understand why you may want to kep it as a single item though.
Nice "problem" to have as it's a nice, interesting tree.

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Post  Smithy on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:27 pm

Here is what it looks like now. I'm enjoying it as its progressing . I'm grafting some roots on to the base.


019 by smithyla67, on Flickr

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