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Post  Max on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:23 pm

This one is a very special tree. It took me several years to get it since it was part of a customers collection.
Finally it now arrived where it belongs - in my garden. It will take some time to bring this one to what is possible. So you are allowed to discuss it but please don't think I will answer to every/any comment if I don't want to.

Enjoy.

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Post  Poink88 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:11 pm

Congrats on your new acquisition!!! Looks like a repot (to a deeper pot) and/or some root work is needed.

Is this forest a single plant?

Max, comments & suggestions are just that so don't get offended. You can do as you wish since it is your tree. Replies have always been optional. Wink

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Post  Max on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:19 pm

Is this forest a single plant?
Yes, it is.

best wishes
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Post  R3mco on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:26 pm

Did it start as a raft or did the roots just tangle up around the base?

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Post  Max on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:26 pm

R3mco wrote:Did it start as a raft or did the roots just tangle up around the base?
It started as a raft.

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Post  Max on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:25 pm

Short update. New pot by Bryan Albright and a few details of the deadwood. Enjoy.

BW
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Post  JimLewis on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:26 pm

Still looks like it needs a lot of root (and other) work done to it. Not sure it is ready for such a nice pot.

Why do you say this is a "real" yamadori -- as opposed to ??????.

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Post  mambo on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:05 pm

What happened to the photos?

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Post  Peter E. on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:23 pm

No Pic's for me also !!!

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Post  Max on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:09 pm

@mambo and Peter: Here is once more the main photo:


@Jim:
I think your feedback is very unfriendly.
The only things that you mention are negatives.
Not sure it is ready for such a nice pot.
Should I honestly reply this way to your bonsai tree posts as well?
Are your trees "finished" when they move to a new pot?

Did you ever see an apple raft like this before? Did you ever find one in the wild? And if yes was it a sylvestris and no domesticus (as nearly all apple bonsai are)? I am afraid you have no idea about how rare this is. And this rareness is why I called it a "real" yamadori. But still you seem wanting to handle it like it was mass produced standard tree without any yamadori specific difficulties.

What would you do with the roots? I am sorry it will perhaps never be possible to make the roots any flatter. But I keep on trying. What I definitely will do is to decorate the surface with moss to let it look like some kind of small hill. This is something very common for rafts by the way!

I am very excited to read your answers.

Best wishes
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Post  AlainK on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:44 pm

Guten Abend,

Max wrote:
What would you do with the roots? (...)
I am very excited to read your answers.(...)

Don't get excited over bonsai.

For the roots, I'd just leave them as they are, but I would repot the tree in a much wider pot.

Group plantings with these kind of roots are rather frequent in chinese bonsai, fr instance :

http://www.fff789.com/showinfo.aspx?id=467

..or:

http://bbs.18888.com/114976452/Fid_169/169_37558_97230765f16b38b.jpg



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Post  JimLewis on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:46 pm

Certainly not meant to be "unfriendly." Just accurate (I think). I don't know what you can do with those roots because I don't have the tree sitting in front of me. I do know that you can't do much when it's in such a small pot. From the picture, it LOOKS like more might be taken off the bottom. And a wider pot will allow side roots to grow which MIGHT eliminate that visible tangle at the pot rim. And (again) there is a LOT of work that needs doing on the top in the way of trimming and wiring to make it look a bit more orderly. This I think would also be better for the tree if done while it is growing in a bit more soil.

No, I've not seen one like this. Neither have I found one in the wild, but I think you said you were given this tree, so I had no idea whether it is a so-called yamadori or merely a tree left neglected for too long in a pot somewhere.

I know you are proud of this tree, but sometimes you need to take a step back.


ALL of this is nothing but MY opinion, of course.

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Post  AlainK on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:07 am

JimLewis wrote:
(...) No, I've not seen one like this.

Well, I've never seen a scots pine "knotting itself" like a juniper either... Razz

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Post  Russell Coker on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:28 am




Max, what an interesting find! I know you'll have fun with it for years to come.

How tall is it and how big are the fruit?

R

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Post  Justin Hervey on Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:11 am

Hi Max, for me the real interest lies with the age of the surface roots which are obscured due to the current orientation. Seems a shame.
Could you post a picture from the opposite side? Is the 'back' a possible new front?

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virtual tree

Post  abcd on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:33 am

Hello, i think it will be better like this
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Post  Max on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:03 am

Hi everybody

The tree was owned by one of my customers before. (Yes, I earn money with doing bonsai) I inherited it when he died.
It was collected in an area which became nature sanctuary after having had the last official allowance do dig this tree out.
I was never allowed to start a complete restyle while it was in possesion of its former owner.

The size of the tree is approximately 88 cm high. The pot is 60 cm wide! Even if it doesn't look like the pot is bigger than the one before and has all arround the tree about 5 cm of space left.

I never said, this tree is finished in any way and of course I need to work on it for the next 10 years. But it seems like in this forum I need to point out when ever I post an obviously unfinished tree that its not yet finished because otherwise some people start thinking this is my final result. Once more. Shall I only post "finished" trees in this forum??

@Jim: thank you for your indoctrination.

@abcd: Thank you very much for your virtual! I think the idea to fan the tree a little more is quite good.

@Justin: The back is no possible new front as this would mean the big trees standing in the back. Also the big trees lean pretty much towards the current front. Here is a pic from the back.
Here are some details.




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Post  Andre Beaurain on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:13 pm

Max wrote:
@Jim: thank you for your indoctrination.



Sjoe Max.. I would hardly call Jim dogmatic.

.....you dont seem to handle ctitisim very well, are you an Capricorn?

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:10 pm

Folks,

this seems to be Max's first important plant/exhibition, perhaps a little slack is needed.
Perhaps, more appreciation and less critique.

There are some beautiful moments, and some problems, but I figure as Max studies his effort he will figure it out.
Later.
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Post  my nellie on Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:36 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Folks,
this seems to be Max's first important plant/exhibition, ... ...
Dear Khaimraj, you are obviously "scratching" to get an answer back from him Very Happy

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:36 pm

Alexandra,

I was of two minds, should I say something or stay off of the topic.
I see from your wise response, I should have stayed out.
Too late to edit, so I am unsuscribing from the topic and will say no more.
Thank you for the heads up.
Humbly. Embarassed
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Post  Max on Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:28 pm

To make it short I want to excuse for being unable to take every critique as it is!
I seem to be one of only a few in this forum who feel that a critique about a tree that just points out all the bad things and searches for further problems is not a critique at all but talking a tree down. In my mind a critique should try to be productive instead of destructive. So once more I am very sorry for having problems to deal with this. For those who say I am unable to take any critique please be so kind and have a closer look to any of my reactions before writing this wrongful phrase.

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Chill bro...

Post  I Cut too much on Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:38 pm

Here's a little tip: if you have to tout that this so rare- it isn't.

Even if it was, anything in this world that is of value, rarity, or worth is able to stand on its own merits. And needs no introduction nor back story.
Another point: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If I told you my 1985 Toyota ae86 corolla was worth ten grand most ppl would laugh at me. Because they don't appreciate the car as I do. Accept opinion as nothing. Do what YOU want.
I see too many repeats around here. The "trends" in bonsai are boring. Do something different. I like your bonsai. And it's because of this.

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Post  Russell Coker on Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:59 pm




Max, here's a thought. If you want to show your work but don't want comments/critiques there is always the "Gallery". I'm afraid that in any other forum here on the IBC you're going to get opinions, whether you want them or not. It's just the nature of the beast.

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Post  Sabi on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:16 pm

Russell is spot on there Max. If you don't want your tree to be discussed then do not put it in a Bonsai Discussion topic, or grant us the right to discuss your tree in the Bonsai Discussion topic.

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