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Post  Brett Summers on Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:30 am

To continue on from another discussion I thought it might be interesting to see how many different types of Hornbeam we are all growing.
I hope this is more about what they look like and what we call them more than what we should be calling them but I will not say we should exclude any scientific discussion of names either.
Please provide some type of picture of any species you name for comparison.

I am growing 7 different variation of hornbeam.

Here is my Euoropean hornbeam Carpinus betulus.





It is nearing refining stage. This was just before and after it's late spring trim. I couldn't resist showing all those leaves. Yes I know very Westerner of me drunken

This is one of my American Hornbeams Carpinus carolina. I think it is a hybrid with C. cordata as the bark and autumn colour does not seem consistent with C. carolina.





I have another variation of this C. carolina from the same nurseryman that germinated slightly different in that it has the "variegated" Autumn colour.

I will add some more later and looking forward to any members posting thiers.

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Andrei Darusenkov on Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:47 am

For me, it is oriental hornbeam (Carpinus orientalis) - an ideal bonsai tree. Smile Small leaved, flexible, variety of yamadori shapes! Just a few examples,,,,, I have many more. Smile




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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Brett Summers on Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:00 am

Excellent examples Thanks cheers
Oriental Hornbeam is very much the new guy on the block to me. I don't think I have ever seen your examples before they seem to be some of the most refined I have seen so far.
We can't get these in Australia but I have sourced some seeds (took me two years to source some viable seed) and now have two year old seedlings. A couple in the ground already.
Do you get much Autumn colour it seems like that may be the only weak point of the variety ?

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Post  JimLewis on Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:32 pm


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Post  Tom Simonyi on Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:50 pm

Korean hornbeam....fall of 2009....this was one of the few year's that I have seen this kind of colors in this composition. It has not occurred very often.
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Post  drgonzo on Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:21 pm

Here's a quick shot of my Korean Hornbeam on the bench this morning, still finishing leafing out.

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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:39 pm

This is my Carpinus Betulus

Dug up as a one year old seedling in 2000. It now stands 22.5 cm tall, and in a few days will it look like Bretts poodle Smile



I have two more of the same kind. One younger and smaller, and one bigger, and the same age...they both need 2 or 3 years before I show photos.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Andrei Darusenkov on Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:39 pm

Brett Summers wrote:
Do you get much Autumn colour it seems like that may be the only weak point of the variety ?

Brett, you are right the autumn color of oriental hornbeam is not very spectacular compared to some other species. However, depending on a specie, weather, etc. it develops some decent yellow color... Smile

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  John Quinn on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:06 am

Carpinus caroliniana, American Hornbeam aka 'musclewood' or 'ironwood'


Close up of trunk:


Korean Hornbeam:


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Post  Rui Marques on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:05 am

Fantastic photos Very Happy

This could be the carpinus gallery!!

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Post  Wendi on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:26 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:This is my Carpinus Betulus

Dug up as a one year old seedling in 2000. It now stands 22.5 cm tall, and in a few days will it look like Bretts poodle Smile


There are all very nice trees here, but i admit as the owner of a small balcony my main interest applies to shohin (though i also love the muscles of the bigger trees Embarassed ).

Great little tree, Yvonne! Wink

Have you ever planted it in garden since digging out or has it been growing up in a pot from beginning?

Kind regards
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Post  Curtis on Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:08 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:This is my Carpinus Betulus


Awesome little tree!! Would love to see this in leaf.

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Post  Seth Ellwood on Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:06 am

Ok I'll play, haven't seen this one yet so it will add to the diversity of this awesome species. Here is mine a japanese hornbeam Carpinus japonica in training now for the last 3 years from urban yamadori.


Closeup of the fruting seed pack.

And one more of the leaves.

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Brett Summers on Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:15 am

Thanks for all the great submissions. Please don't be afraid to show a species that has already been shown as it is also about the variations that hornbeam has.
It is fantastic to see some excellent examples ThumbsUp But please don't either be afraid to show less refined trees like mine. The more we have for comparison the better.
Yes Yvonne, any chance of a pic with leaves. I bet they are not as big as the leaves on my Euoropean hornbeam.
Thanks thumbs up

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Post  Guest on Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:57 am

Hi Brigitte

After digging up, was the tree placed in a not really small bonsaipot, and repottet every year. In a new angle if wanted, and have the crown pruned, and last years sacrificebranches would be remowed. like you see the tree now.
By middsummer would I have control of the triangle of the crown, and have the leaves pruned back to 2 or 3 leaves...If I wanted it to have a sacrifucebranch from 1 or all 3 lowest branches, was they found and kept.

The pot would be so small, that the roots had filled the pot, and could then be moved to a much larger bonsaipot without problems. Soon after would I slowly begin feeding.

With waiting to place it in a bigger pot untill after all the maingrowing ower the surface was done, would the growing of roots take ower, and form the nebari...In Denmark does the roots start to grow heavy in late july.

I still do this with this tree, and close to all my other trees, even the big trees as long as they have leaves.

It works very well for me, to place them in small pots during the winter...If I maybe plan to bring a tree or 2 to an exhibition later this year, will it already be in the small pot ready to go.

To hope for this heavy rootgrowing is it important the pots have provided shade all the time, and the tree is in full sun.
All my pots have deep shade, no sun will heath up, on just as much as a single corner of a bonsaipot.

Hi Curtis and Brett
I will be happy to bring a photo when the tree has the first leaves pruned. My tree is also a European carpinus like yours....

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Russell Coker on Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:14 pm



I collected these C. caroliniana as seedlings at my grandparents' house in north Mississippi in 1982. The top of the back tree died last summer, you gotta love hornbeams! From the pot it's 40 inches tall.




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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Wendi on Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:48 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Brigitte

After digging up, was the tree placed in a not really small bonsaipot, and repottet every year. In a new angle if wanted, and have the crown pruned, and last years sacrificebranches would be remowed. like you see the tree now.
By middsummer would I have control of the triangle of the crown, and have the leaves pruned back to 2 or 3 leaves...If I wanted it to have a sacrifucebranch from 1 or all 3 lowest branches, was they found and kept.

The pot would be so small, that the roots had filled the pot, and could then be moved to a much larger bonsaipot without problems. Soon after would I slowly begin feeding.

With waiting to place it in a bigger pot untill after all the maingrowing ower the surface was done, would the growing of roots take ower, and form the nebari...In Denmark does the roots start to grow heavy in late july.

I still do this with this tree, and close to all my other trees, even the big trees as long as they have leaves.

It works very well for me, to place them in small pots during the winter...If I maybe plan to bring a tree or 2 to an exhibition later this year, will it already be in the small pot ready to go.

To hope for this heavy rootgrowing is it important the pots have provided shade all the time, and the tree is in full sun.
All my pots have deep shade, no sun will heath up, on just as much as a single corner of a bonsaipot.


Kind regards Yvonne


Thanks for detailed explanation, Yvonne !

I've bought a small seedling a few days before , grown up to be part of a hedge.
It is a bit silly, cause i'm in fact being to old to make bonsai next 40 years, but it has a nice trunk movement and taper and so i will try with the help of your description Wink

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:) its so sad not to have a carpinus on central america

Post  lolo_orellana on Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:52 am

I wish I could have a carpinus bonsai on Central America... I will have to buy seeds online and to pray for them to grow as trees..

beautiful trees and great future for each of them... congrats to all of you.

greetings from Central America.

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Brett Summers on Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:13 am

Hi Lolo
My love of hornbeams stops me moving to the tropics. Twisted Evil

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  LSBonsai on Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:58 am

Here is my korean hornbeam. It was probably a collected stump imported from korea a long time ago. I bought it from a guy in the states back in 2007. It was quite neglected before I purchased it and several of the key branches had died, but that made it affordable.

Here it is the day I received it in August 2007. You can see how weak the tree was, although it had already set a nice crop of winter buds. I barerooted the tree the next spring and replaced the old soil with my mix, and it took off.


Here it is about a month ago after an early spring cleanup.


I am happy with its progress, but it still has a long way to go. I thread grafted two key branches onto the tree a few years ago (the first two branches on the right), and sent a new graft through this spring to fill in the gap on the left above the first branch.

It is quite hardy and grows very well here, although I've never seen it produce fall colour Sad


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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Guest on Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:20 pm

Hi Brigitte

Good luck Smile, Please keep us updatet from time to time....Send me a pm if I miss it out.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  boon on Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:48 pm

this is my student's tree. i sold it several years ago. it was imported from korea about 15 years ago. we work on it since 2005

this is the pic in 2009


here is the pic in 2011 before work


after pulling off leaves and some thinning


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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  Brian Van Fleet on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:43 am

Korean hornbeam, imported Yamadori

Last fall:


This spring:

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Post  coh on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:30 am

Here's my "project" - a hornbeam of some type that I picked up from a club member who was downsizing his collection. It was in dire need of repotting so that was done last year out of season...and the tree responded by deciding it didn't need several branches. Hopefully I can get it back to health as I do like the trunk, though there are obviously major issues with some of the remaining branches. It has an interesting base as well, though I need to get some of that moss out of it.



New leaves and last season's fall coloring. Can anyone identify the species? I was told it might be Japanese hornbeam, but the previous owner wasn't sure.






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Re: Show us your Carpinus species

Post  drgonzo on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:40 am

Looks like good old C. turczaninowii to me Chris, the more squat leaves on yours are less elongated or pointed then C. Japonica. Also I'm sure of the ID on mine and your leaves are identical. Nice little tree!
-Jay

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