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Post  my nellie on Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:54 am

gm.it.seacom wrote: a) ... ... There is no doubt that taiwanese bonsais have by quality surpassed all the bonsais in the world(leave japanese ones)
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b) My soil contains so much of food only for the fact that i want fast results and good volumes in terms of size.
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Objection....
a) Kind notice : Never use "there is no doubt" unless you are absolutely sure!
And this is not the case of course! I mean your expression that the taiwanese bonsais being of superior quality over all the others (the japanese excluded)
b) If you browse here in IBC through the topics on feeding you will see that plants will absorb what they need no matter how much food you provide them.
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Post  gm.it.seacom on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:37 am

Firstly,I think that all bonsai artistes will agree that the taiwanese bonsai(aspac) have opened our eyes in respect to quality and volumes.Anyone who doesnt agree may give his views for the disagreement.

Secondly,People have no idea how much food a plant can take in.
Apart from being a bonsai artiste i am a rare succulent plant grower,both caudiciform and non caudiciform and so i know fairly well how much food the plants take in here considering all climatic conditions etc.If someone doesnt agree they can defenitely come and see here.I can always demonstrate with pics if needed.
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Post  gm.it.seacom on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:50 am


Guava Bonsai in training for 5 years......please enjoy!!!
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:02 am

gm.it.seacom

can you put a blank sheet or something behind the plant. It is hard to see your efforts, there is always some back ground distraction.

Choose a colour that allows the trunk to be seen and the leaves.

How tall ?

There is a another guava type [ family of guava ] with finer leaves and more branchlets, do you have anything like that ?
I'll see if I can find the name for you and maybe an image.
Later.
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:22 am

gm.it.seacom,

if you want folk to look at your trees and appreciate your efforts, you need to start photographing them as a professional.

Also it is easier to work on the future design and changes.

Here is an example.
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Celtis [ L ?] American Hackberry [ I use a refrigerator to continue the life cycle of some trees - simulate winter.] 39 cm in height . Clip and Grow [ Alphabetical order.] This specie is excellent for tiny leaves and twiggy growth. Easy from seed or a cut root. Yellow leaves for autumn.

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Post  gm.it.seacom on Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:14 pm

The guava is known as psidium sativum.The fruits of this plant is edible.
The guava with finer branches and smaller leaves is also available but it is very prone to die back.
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:55 am

gm.it.seacom,

here are two myrtle types [ guava family ] finer branching, and more branchlets, small leaves, no dieback.
Gives you a choice of growing fine specimens under 61 cm [ 2 feet ]

[1] Eugenia
[2] Myrcia

You should have a Herbarium at the University. They would have all the records on trees and shrubs.

Here is an example of either [1] or [2] I am not sure which one.
about 46 cm [ 18 inches ] not mine, but I have one in a half barrel growing for a larger trunk.

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Post  Guest on Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:05 pm

gm.it.seacom wrote:Firstly,I think that all bonsai artistes will agree that the taiwanese bonsai(aspac) have opened our eyes in respect to quality and volumes.Anyone who doesnt agree may give his views for the disagreement.

Secondly,People have no idea how much food a plant can take in.
Apart from being a bonsai artiste i am a rare succulent plant grower,both caudiciform and non caudiciform and so i know fairly well how much food the plants take in here considering all climatic conditions etc.If someone doesnt agree they can defenitely come and see here.I can always demonstrate with pics if needed.

Hi guys,
I hope you wont mind me butting in on your "private conversation" (just kidding)
I beg to disagree with the idea that the taiwanese artists have superseded other regions bonsai, in terms of design and volume...IMHO, that is based on the personal taste of the viewer. I (personally) prefered the Indonesian design, then the european, then the japanese and somewhere in the bottom of my personal list is the taiwanese design. the reason would take lot of pages if i enumerate it all. so its just a matter of personal taste. probably you like taiwanese design and others dont.

When it comes to food intake of plant...oh yeah, people have some sort of ideas how plants take the volume of their needed nutrients...we have here in the philippines a national agency that made studies on plants including plants food intake, its located just outside metro manila...lots of asian and even Indian agriculture students study over there...I saw a couple of them last summer I went to that agency, in one of my research.

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Post  craigw on Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:31 pm

Hi Guys I have been following your thread and decided to weigh in. I am a commercial nurseryman, not bonsai thats my hobby. I grow alpine and perennial plants and a few trees and shrubs. To me to use any garden soil in a pot plant is not a good idea. Potted plants need air circulation around the roots and ground soil becomes too compacted. For my bonsai I wouldn't use any components smaller than 1mm and the bulk of my mix is made up of components around the 2mm-3mm mark. There are a number of reasons for this. This is the most important one. In order for a bonsai to develop really good ramification in the crown it also needs good root ramification, the root system and the top of the tree are really a mirror of each other. By using a very coarse gritty potting mix and plenty of fertilizer you can encourage the kind of fibrous root growth that is a prerequisite for a fine twiggy canopy. Any mix which I use for potting bonsai has been through a 1mm sieve to remove all the fines.
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Post  gm.it.seacom on Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:28 am

Thank You Craigw for the information.you are very right and i have the same views.Thanks.

Thank You Mr.Jun for sharing your views,but i personally feel that you can please demonstrate on your views by providing pics of your work or documents supporting your view.if we donot explain our views then we donot learn.
This forum is for begineers like me to learn more about this artform.let it take pages but i am ready to learn from elders like you.
Thank you Mr.Khiamraj for the details of the guava plant..i will defenitely start looking for this species here.
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Post  Guest on Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:10 pm

gm.

Hi. again,
for photos/ pics reference. please see some of my post here...there are I think about 30 individual trees, and a couple of hundred captured in some group of trees of my own design that posted for the past 2 months alone...not the typical taiwanese ( like the ficus with wide canopy and very stiff large branch) design..if there is such, not japanese and nor european... honestly my friend I am not sure yet what design name to call or style I am creating, all I know is that I am proudly developing trees/penjing not copied from any other known style and I am hoping that someday I can find something or some design that I as a filifino can associate with and truly called it "philippine style".

again this is my personal point of view my friend. for people like you and I living in different continent and region, we must develop our own design that we can call our own, a good example of this is the recently posted african show...which I commented to be dominated by the nicely styled trees very distinguished to african environment...this my dear friend I think should be the way regional design must evolved into.then we will have a very diverse designs. be proud of your trees as Influenced by Indias rich culture and natural beauty of your continent...and let our good and talented friends from Taiwan and Europe or the west be proud of their own design coz they have all done well.
I wish you well...and I am proud of you taking a solid stand on your belief by which you think is right, though your view is different from mine.

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Re: tropical bonsai plants

Post  ronnyadam on Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:17 am

The finest line of elegant bonsai trees from around the world who have been selected with care and style bonsai artists.First professional when you send pictures of your trees, you can clean around the trunk and nebari. Get a soapy solution of water and a brush and give a good cleaning.

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Post  SOUMYA MITRA on Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:39 am

[quote="ronnyadam"]
"The finest line of elegant bonsai trees from around the world who have been selected with care and style bonsai artists.First professional when you send pictures of your trees,"


Sorry for my english language understanding- but i do not get any actionable message or meaning from this remark.

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Post  gm.it.seacom on Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:50 pm

Hope mr.Ronnyodam could expalain his views!!his message surely doesnt explain anything...
Sorry if i couldnt understand!!!
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Post  bonsaisr on Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:55 pm

What he is trying to say is that when you post a picture of a tree, make sure it is groomed & cleaned up so it will look professional. Take a stiff brush & clean the bark on the trunk. Trim the branches & twigs. Make sure there are no weeds on the soil.
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Post  杰遨-jie on Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:13 pm

woah^^ you truly have a large tropical collection..... nice tree's! they are more chinese style and free(i like)...baobab is rare here and you have some huge trunk ones! so luckyyyy Laughing Mad it seems that you know alot about tropicals and can keep them healthy too... just keep in mind the soil you use seems like it needs more oxygen in it,you can mix some gravel or chic grit with bark and some composted soil...shallow pots need lighter soil for better drainage(do you put a drainage layer at the bottom of the pots?)this will stop rot from occurring...all your tree's have potential!^^ jiayou.........


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:00 am

Yes, Ms. Iris, I sent a private message days ago to Soumya telling him that as well.
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Post  bonsaisr on Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:42 am

杰遨-jie wrote:(do you put a drainage layer at the bottom of the pots?)this will stop rot from occurring... jiayou.........
jie~

After extensive research, this was found not to be true, in both the open ground and in pots. Of course, in many cases it would help if they did research specifically on bonsai. The safest way to avoid damp soil is to use a better draining soil throughout.
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Post  SOUMYA MITRA on Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:54 pm

bonsaisr wrote:
杰遨-jie wrote:(do you put a drainage layer at the bottom of the pots?)this will stop rot from occurring... jiayou.........
jie~

After extensive research[/[b]b], this was found not to be true, in both the open ground and in pots. Iris
interesting point! can you pl ease provide the research reference .The reference would help me to know more about the topic. Thank you.

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