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Post  Poink88 on Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 pm

Walter Pall wrote:
correct, this is what I said on stage at Noelanders Trophy. And I don't take it back.
Wow, what an endorsement indeed.

I only saw evergreens in the video and I wish he expand also to deciduous/broad leaf trees. (maybe he already does?)

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Post  BrianG on Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Thank you Mr. Pall and Rob... I was trying to search for the video I heard Mr. Pall said this before and Rob took the words out of my mouth. And to reiterate what was said earlier Mr. Night said he was ( "PROBABLY the best collecter in the COUNTRY in regards to QUALITY" not world. Ryan said he was in the world .. I don't think a friends opinion translates as Mr. Night as being cocky, ballzy or arrogant.

I really wish it wouldn't have come to people poking at comments said by guys (like Mitch and Jay said ) that are advertising their business. I was posting the video because it got me fired up and excited about something great happening here in the states for Bonsai and thought other might enjoy as well.

carlos wrote:
drgonzo wrote:I enjoyed this video as well, it's certainly a very professional promotional featurette of Ryan and what he's trying to build out there in that woodland setting.

I have MAJOR respect for any younger artists coming up in the world of Bonsai who are trying to actually make a full time living off a very specialized industry at a time when our overall economy is in rough shape. Ryan Neil, Erik Wigert, and Bjorn Bjorvala are some of the folks who will be pioneering the next century of Bonsai in America.

-Jay

I really don't think Erik Wigert fits in the same category as Ryan and Bjorn. Maybe you should mention Boon or Michael Hagendorn, but definitely not Erik Wigert.

Carlos that's your opinion and you have a right to post what yours is. And my Opinion is he could be mentioned with these guys his work speaks for itself. Like they say opinion are like butt holes everyone has one ... but mayber you should follow another saying ... don't say anything unless you have something nice to say!

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  jrodriguez on Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:12 am

Walter Pall wrote:
Rob Kempinski wrote:Let me add another data point to the discussion. When Walter Pall was introducing Ryan at the recent Noelanders show, Walter said words to this effect ...Ryan's garden has more world class collected trees than all of the other gardens he has visited in the world combined... (I didn't use quotes as I am not certain of the exact words but this is very close.) Those trees for the most part were collected by Randy. When you factor Walter's extensive collection and his travels that is quite an endorsement. Maybe Walter can join with his own observation in his exact words.


Rob,

correct, this is what I said on stage at Noelanders Trophy. And I don't take it back.

So? My original remark was not questioning the quality of the material Randy or Ryan have in their garden. Anyhow, this has turned into a circular discussion with no apparent amicable outcome. Kudos for Ryan and Randy. May their business flourish and his dream of raising the bar (at least in temperate/cold weather bonsai) reach fruition.

I guess that exposing one's opinion is a bit dangerous around here.


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Post  Orion on Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:09 am

[/quote]So? My original remark was not questioning the quality of the material Randy or Ryan have in their garden. Anyhow, this has turned into a circular discussion with no apparent amicable outcome. Kudos for Ryan and Randy. May their business flourish and his dream of raising the bar (at least in temperate/cold weather bonsai) reach fruition.

I guess that exposing one's opinion is a bit dangerous around here.

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It has nothing to do with your opinion; if that's your take on it, so be it.

Is it your feeling that the statements that Knight and Neil made are too bold?

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Post  Bruce Winter on Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:11 am

Poink88 wrote:Still, it is better to let the people judge and come to that conclusion. It sounds a bit tacky (or conceited?) to claim it otherwise JMHO. All that said, he is indeed very good though.

Exactly. To do otherwise is bad form. Randy's teacher would never say he was the best even though many consider him to be just that.

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Post  marcus watts on Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:58 am

I like Ryans philosophy, you can see he has extended beyond the modern western world in his bonsai education. Yes of course it is an advert for the nursery and the individuals who are making it what it is...and that is a good thing as it was getting close to a Byorn type quality film - probably the best bonsai related films on utube imo.

I also think Ryan knows the trees and nursery are very much in their infancy when it comes to realising their ultimate true potential - and I think he knows it will be his children, or ones that come after him via future generations of apprentices, that will see the true benefits of his work today. After all the trees we make are supposed to be for our children and grand children, the ones we are supposed to care for, show and enjoy were supposed to be started by our previous relatives..............its why we are a long way behind still, and may always be as basically westerners work for themselves, not for their grand children and beyond.

Regarding the 'best in the nation & or world'....for me it is about survival rates as if we are honest anyone with permission, a good eye and a vast mountain range can come back with old trees in the truck - but the supply will never be renewed by nature as they are dug up quicker than they form, so for me survival of the dug tree is critical in deciding how good someone is. (If one ended up as tanuki material for every one living in a pot no one involved would deserve a 'best in' title as this would amount to simple desicration).

nice video, glad it was posted

Cheers Marcus

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Post  jrodriguez on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:48 am

Orion wrote:
So? My original remark was not questioning the quality of the material Randy or Ryan have in their garden. Anyhow, this has turned into a circular discussion with no apparent amicable outcome. Kudos for Ryan and Randy. May their business flourish and his dream of raising the bar (at least in temperate/cold weather bonsai) reach fruition.

I guess that exposing one's opinion is a bit dangerous around here.

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It has nothing to do with your opinion; if that's your take on it, so be it.

Is it your feeling that the statements that Knight and Neil made are too bold? [/quote]


What do you think? I believe that's the whole point of the discussion.... It's all about being humble, that was my whole fu--ing point!

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  Mitch Thomas on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:49 am

One of the best aspects of a bonsai is they cannot speak. They have no opinions. They dont beat thier chest in triumph. All they do is let us impose our will on them to create something which stirs us to our very marrow. They are not jealous nor hurtful. If you look at a bonsai that you may not like, you just let it go and search for another that pleases you.

This is all the debate I care to offer on this thread.

Mitch

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  misfit1 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:33 pm

Thanks for posting, Brian. I take this video for what it is, a promotional video intended to promote Ryan's nursery. For the intent, it is an excellent video showcasing what Ryan is trying to do as far as develop his business, promote and improve bonsai in the U.S., and show off some of his stock. I say more power to him! Ryan is an awesome artist with tons of enthusiasm for bonsai and for sharing his knowledge with others.

He gave a demo at the Redwood Empire Bonsai Society meeting in September of last year and he'll be back next month! So stoked!

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  Dan W. on Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:33 pm

I have read that Randy's survival rate is 98% for his collected material, this is only what I've seen written by those who know him so don't take it too seriously from me. If this is true it makes him a darn good collector in my opinion. I don't have the knowledge, experience or even the desire to judge him against any other collectors. I'm just glad that excellent material is being brought from the mountains in many places around the world by people who are passionate about bonsai.

I also appreciate what Ryan is doing. He, and many others, are paving the way to an ever brighter future in Bonsai for all of us to enjoy. Great promotional video Very Happy

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  Ian Warhurst on Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:47 pm

I was fortunate to be in Randy`s company at the last Gingko award in Belgium. Not at the show I might add but in the various drinking venues around Gent and I found him to be very quiet and unassuming almost humble in his manner and if you follow what he said about being the best collector in the country, he says in regards to the material. If anyones collecting any better in the states I for one would love to see it.

Ian.

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  Orion on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:36 pm

Ian Warhurst wrote:I was fortunate to be in Randy`s company at the last Gingko award in Belgium. Not at the show I might add but in the various drinking venues around Gent and I found him to be very quiet and unassuming almost humble in his manner and if you follow what he said about being the best collector in the country, he says in regards to the material. If anyones collecting any better in the states I for one would love to see it.

Ian.

There are others that collect materials of equal quality here in the states, but they won't market themselves or their finds to this degree; they're simply not interested in that.

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  Ian Warhurst on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:27 pm

Thats fine but if thats your buisness you`ve got to market yourself somehow. I wasn`t trying to be controversial It was just my humble opinion.

Ian.

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Post  Orion on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:25 pm

Ian Warhurst wrote:Thats fine but if thats your buisness you`ve got to market yourself somehow. I wasn`t trying to be controversial It was just my humble opinion.

Ian.

Nothing controversial at all, I agree with you.

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Re: BonsaiMirai Video

Post  newzealandteatree on Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:30 am

Brian, thanks for posting this. Very impressive garden with lots of good and magnificent trees. Congratulations to the owners.
Much as we are entitled to make all sorts of claims for all sorts of reasons, others are entitled to make their judgements. In a world where forces from all angles are out to influence and control our minds, it is wise to be careful. A little sceptism may go a long way to keep us out of trouble. The GFC has exposed too many frauds by so many respected and established figures and institutions. Stay calm, cool and in control.

Cheers, CJ

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