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Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  alonsou on Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:08 pm

This is the first time, I'm working with Japanese Maples, in the past I've worked with Trident Maples that's as far as I ever been.

My questions about this Japanese maple:

Are those some kind of flowers popping out?

What should I do with them?

Can they negatively affect the health of the tree if not removed?

Also, judging by the last image, what kind of maple is this? as far as I can tell, it looks like a red Deshojo Jap. Maple, can anyone confirm that?

Thanks for the help.








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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  DreadyKGB on Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:46 pm

Alonsou,
Yes those are the flowers on your maple. They will grow to become seeds, but depending on the variety the seeds can be pretty insignificant. You can remove them, on developed trees some people like the look of the flowers in the early spring. I can't help with naming the variety, maybe a better chance once the leaves harden off.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  marcus watts on Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:38 pm

from the first leaf it is so deeply grooved and feathery that it appears to be a disectum variety, so not deshojo etc.

Once the leaves are fully formed you will have a better clue though, but if it is one of the disectum maples it is a lot more tender than normal varieties.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  RKatzin on Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:14 pm

That does look like a disectum leaf, also looks like a typical disectum branch, gangly, with hardly any buds along the length of it. I've had a go with a couple, and frankly, with hundreds of varieties to work with I've given up on the disectums. I think, in developing the frilliest foliage many sacrifices were made. Leaf size, branch development and durability seem to have gone by the by, in favor of frills and color. Without the grafted host they will expire within a year or two, just my own results anyway.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  alonsou on Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:45 pm

You guys think I could be wasting my time with this one? This is part of a 5 maples I got from one of my co-workers, it was too much of a hassle for him to take care of them, there 2 or 3 more that have a tag and its says "Beni Otake" and that's it, but like I said, I never worked with any JM before, just Tridents, so my experience its limited about them, also this will be the first growing season with me, so I still need to know how they will grow and develop during the whole season.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  Bob Pressler on Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:27 am

Most J. Maples are iffy at best around here. They don't like our hot dry weather, they don't like our water, the hate the winds ....If an older tree they look good(in theory) in winter ( all 4-5 weeks of it) and for about a month or two if lucky in early spring by mid April the leaves have brown edges and by July are pretty much fried. And this is w/ Acer P. any of the named varieties are even worse. Tridents like it here though!

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  JimLewis on Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:43 am

You guys think I could be wasting my time with this one?

Plant it out in your yard somewhere (NOT in full sun in S. Cal) and just watch it. You can always lift it if it ends up looking promising for bonsai.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  drgonzo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:03 am

Is it possible to satisfy the nearly 1000 hrs (41 days) of continuous sub 40F dormancy requirement of A. Palmatum in southern California? I know you guys can keep Tridents but they may not need quite the cold dormancy that palmatum does.

Oh to have to worry about having too SHORT a winter.......what luxury.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  John Quinn on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:19 am

My Japanese Maples certainly don't get 41 days of 40F temps here in SC.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  drgonzo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:31 am

John Quinn wrote:My Japanese Maples certainly don't get 41 days of 40F temps here in SC.

Its information Brent Walston provides on his website, perhaps he is in error? Or maybe they are more flexible than we may think, or maybe I'm reading him wrong (which is probably the most likely explanation) Very Happy
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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  AlainK on Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:23 pm

"Beni otake is a tall red maple in the Linearilobum Group" (Eastfork Nursery)

Not that easy for bonsai, to say the least...

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  Bob Pressler on Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:49 pm

drgonzo wrote:Is it possible to satisfy the nearly 1000 hrs (41 days) of continuous sub 40F dormancy requirement of A. Palmatum in southern California? I know you guys can keep Tridents but they may not need quite the cold dormancy that palmatum does.

Oh to have to worry about having too SHORT a winter.......what luxury.

-Jay

Thats one of the reason they don't do so well here. They usually lose the leaves in the beginning of Dec. and by the beginning of Feb. they are leafing out again. This year we haven't had a day below 55 with most being closer to 70.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  John Quinn on Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:28 pm

drgonzo wrote:
John Quinn wrote:My Japanese Maples certainly don't get 41 days of 40F temps here in SC.

Its information Brent Walston provides on his website, perhaps he is in error? Or maybe they are more flexible than we may think, or maybe I'm reading him wrong (which is probably the most likely explanation) Very Happy
-Jay

We definitely have four seasons, but our temps have ranged from 32-72 over the last two weeks... many nights in the 40s-50s. Our average daily high in January is about 53F.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  Bob Pressler on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:01 am

So how do the maple do for you there?

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  John Quinn on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:34 am

Maples do very well here. I have several Tridents and Japanese maples. Hardest thing is they leaf out too early and may need protection from a freeze. A little shade in mid day in summer is a good idea in SC.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  Russell Coker on Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:55 pm

Bob Pressler wrote:So how do the maple do for you there?

No trouble here either, Bob. Apparently, we have just enough of a "winter" to make them (and me) happy.

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Re: Another Japanese Maple question.

Post  Bob Pressler on Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:26 pm

Not here. Tridents a good but A. palmatium justs does not like it. Even in the ground they rarely look good past May. But that's a small price to pay for the benefits of our weather.

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