Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
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Re: Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
That's a nice one for sure, but not nearly in the same class as Walter's health wise. Also doesn't look like they evened out the growth on the pine very well....the top is pretty dense, but the l. lower branch is lame in comparison. But what a trunk!
Fore- Member
Re: Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
Is that the "Dan Robinson" ponderosa - the one he called "Jackie Gleason Dancing" or something like that?
coh- Member
Ponderosa Pine
Not sure. It doesn't look familiar. I haven't been there in almost 7 years. However, the big pruning scar indicates it may have changed dramatically since I was there.xuan le wrote:Are you talking about this tree Iris?
Iris
bonsaisr- Member
Re: Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
This is Dan's ponderosa as far as I remember it.
Walter Pall- Member
Re: Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
Just wanted to say thank you to Walter for the excellent write up on a truely magnificent tree, I know several old timers personal and I have several growing, so thank you very much Walter!
RKatzin- Member
Re: Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
peter keane wrote:I love ponderosa pine trunks, but, not the foliage. too long and airy for me. I've grafted scots and japanese red pine to it with good success. I've not seen my scots shoots slow down in vigor as a result of grafting. the shoots are budding like they were on their own rootstock. I've tried mugo scions to one ponderosa. The mugos didn't survive. I'm certain that it was a matter of how I prepared the scion wood, rather than incompatibility of the two types. I'm going to be trying that one again in march of this year.
Peter, any updates on your grafting results?
Fore- Member
Ponderosa as Bonsai
My personal short answer John is a resounding YES.
Consider a couple of points with me please.
Do they grow as natural bonsai in nature? Yes.
Before the current "formalized" bonsai era larger leaves on some trees were not considered an unacceptable fault as they grew that way naturally on stunted natural trees. Look for example at the Anson Burlingame Daimyo Oak in the Oakland,CA area. You can find it online. It's a beautiful and old tree. I have a small Daimyo that I'll be developing over time. I don't mind the larger leaves/needles as long as the overall tree looks right to me.
I personally have 2 collected Ponderosas that need development but that will be good trees in time.
As for ramification you don't need quite as much with these as the longer needles take up space that extra branching would fill on a short needled tree. There still needs to be space for light to get to all the branches.
All that being said it still is a matter of personal esthetics and if they don't really "grab" you and fire your imagination maybe they just aren't the right trees for you after all. And that's just fine.
Consider a couple of points with me please.
Do they grow as natural bonsai in nature? Yes.
Before the current "formalized" bonsai era larger leaves on some trees were not considered an unacceptable fault as they grew that way naturally on stunted natural trees. Look for example at the Anson Burlingame Daimyo Oak in the Oakland,CA area. You can find it online. It's a beautiful and old tree. I have a small Daimyo that I'll be developing over time. I don't mind the larger leaves/needles as long as the overall tree looks right to me.
I personally have 2 collected Ponderosas that need development but that will be good trees in time.
As for ramification you don't need quite as much with these as the longer needles take up space that extra branching would fill on a short needled tree. There still needs to be space for light to get to all the branches.
All that being said it still is a matter of personal esthetics and if they don't really "grab" you and fire your imagination maybe they just aren't the right trees for you after all. And that's just fine.
Potawatomi13- Member
Re: Ponderosa Pines... can they really make good bonsai?
Do you like Ponderosa pines? If yes then they make great bonsai specimens.
Do you not like them? Then maybe they are not so great.
Personally, I don't like them. The needles are too long and are they do not ramify well. As to the trunks, there are plenty of pine species with great trunks that have better needle and branching characteristics.
Though I'm reminded of a saying by the great American wit, Mark Twain, "It's a difference of opinion that makes horse races."
Do you not like them? Then maybe they are not so great.
Personally, I don't like them. The needles are too long and are they do not ramify well. As to the trunks, there are plenty of pine species with great trunks that have better needle and branching characteristics.
Though I'm reminded of a saying by the great American wit, Mark Twain, "It's a difference of opinion that makes horse races."
Twisted Trees- Member
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