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Post  dick benbow on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Looking to see what other's think. It's not typical but then sometimes I like to offer something different to the viewers. Most of the displays i see involve daizas. This is wooden, yet has a removeable copper liner...thoughts?where do you think the stone should be placed within...it is presently centered and back

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  sunip on Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:32 am

Hello Dick,
Nice playing around
To study a stone i can imagine the setting but as a display
it is unconvincing for me.
In this wood tray the stone is to much captivated,
to much wood and also the sand level should be raised.
A lower suiban wood work stronger but i think i prefer here a jitta.
I would place it a bit more forward to get some space (not in the middle), a setting in the center can be a statement but because of the movement of the stone i would go for a bit to the left.
Then because of the same movement of the stone i would like to try a placement to the right as well.
regards, Sunip Wink

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:30 pm

appreciate your thoughts. I watched all day yesterday, after posting , as people looked but didn't comment. So it was nice to find something this morning Smile

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  Norma on Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:41 pm

Hi Dick,

The wood suiban is lovely...that being said, it fights for attention with the stone which seems overwhelmed. Perhaps as Sunip suggested, a different placement and the stone should be settled into the sand as deeply as possible. A tan colored sand would also blend better with the suiban and should be almost to the top of the rim.

Has David De Groot held any suiseki workshops in your area? He is an expert and probably has a lot of information on this subject of display.

I like the stone. Do you call it a waterfall?

Kindly,
Norma


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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:59 pm

thanks for your comments Norma. I'll see David this afternoon when i help him repair our outdoor display of suiseki up at the collection. I will also have some chinese elms to pot.

One of the reasons i like to post here is to give opportunity to those that like to teach and share and to give equal time to those that use this forum for their education. If I raise a few eyebrows along the way about my posts, I actually don't mind for i feel the opportunities it kick starts is worth the effort ( and yes I learn a new way to think about things myself, so it's all good Smile

I don't see the stone as a waterfall but a mountain stone with snow/ice.

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  JimLewis on Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:22 pm

Hmmm. I see a person . . . woman . . .Madonna (strange for a non-religious type like me, I suppose). I like the stone, but in this suiban (which I also like a lot, I see a lower, and perhaps a bit larger, island stone.

And, as someone said, a bit more sand.

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:22 am

thanks Jim....

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  Marty Weiser on Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:54 am

I agree with Jim and Norma - I like the suiban and I like the stone - both are very interesting. However, they fight with each other for attention.

I would like to see a lower, very dark stone in this suiban that is full of sand. The sand could match either the suiban or the stone - highlighting the other. In both cases I imagine that the first thing seen will be the suiban since it is very different. But then, the eye will be draw to the stone and start to see the entire composition.

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:23 am

I like the way you explained how such a suiban would be viewed. Interesting, and makes good sense...Smile


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Post  peterbrod on Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:56 pm

Idea

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:32 am

thanks for sharing your model Smile

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food for thought

Post  stonener on Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:22 am

Dick, as I see it from here.
Offering friendly advise only, hopefully welcomed, I'm no expert, do not want to offend
doban if darker, black walnut color not so demanding of attention, pulls the eye.
sand fill to top edge with quieter neutral tan color, will better enhance the stone.
Peter's suggestion for positioning is best possible, for both shape of stone & doban
stone if not cut, lay down to the right, with white area forward, facing viewer,
level with bumps as top, can be seen as Lingering snow at foothills, or early morning fog.
could also be seen as crashing wave on Island shore, Scenic Landscape Stone... Suspect

if seen this way, raise front, lower back, use double mountains as top,
Peter's placement suggestion if viewed this way still the same... Suspect


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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:44 pm

I really appreciate your sensitive approach to other's feeling as I do your skillful way of reloooking at the possible
angles to reposition. Thank-you!

Yesterday, I played with different sand color and have to agree color as tan works better than black.

My whole background in advertising/marketing makes me want to have something yell "hey! look at me"!
to the detriment of the japanese way of sublety. So I'm still learning and appreciate having folks like yourself
share their thoughts.

So soon as I sweep some more snow off the roof, I'll come in and warm up and see how i feel about the stone
lengthwise.


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still playing in sandboxes!

Post  stonener on Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:50 pm

Dick,
I was once told this by my wife,
" I just don't get it", your grown men playing in sandboxes!
sometimes we must see things as children do,
with a completely open mind, which sounds like fun to me.
I too tried different, out loud, look at mine,
and made of wood, because of high cost of bronze,
"just doesn't work I was told", but I'll let you be the judge




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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  Todd Ellis on Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:07 pm

I think it looks great. We do the best we can when our resources are limited.

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Post  Todd Ellis on Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:09 pm

To anyone:

Stoner turned this stone to lay down, which looks good. I observe a lake in the right top of the stone. Would it be appropriate to display this stone with water in the lake? If it does hold water could it be classified as a waterpool stone?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Todd

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Re: different sort of suiban

Post  dick benbow on Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:17 pm

I like outside the box thinking. Tht's why I ws willing to try something different. Without some new design we're pretty much destined to relive history. One of the guys is working with bronz containers that he' having made. I keep telling him I want one and all he does is smile....amaxing how heavy a small one is, when filled with stone and sand Smile

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