̉Lime sulfur banned in US

Well...whatever the case, in the end I don't think it will matter much. People will still be able to acquire lime sulfur (at least for now) and use it as they see fit. They just may not be able to conveniently purchase it from their favorite bonsai supplier.

Dallas sells it:

http://www.dallasbonsai.com/store/C80-bonsai-supply-Lime-Sulfur-Jin-Shari-Chemical.html

Here you go! Straight from the enviornmental protection agency over pesticide use in the united states. If anyone has any other question you are more than welcome to contact he said. Im sure they cant watch everyone but when i spoke with him over the phone he did say they are going to check into its use for bonsai because they dont belive it should be used for this because its not registered or labeled for deadwood or bonsai use in general.

Jake,

As follow-up to our telephone conversation yesterday, regarding the EPA
cancellation of calcium polysulfide fungicide pesticides, please find as
linked below various EPA documents related to the calcium polysulfide
products and EPA's review of the chemical. I could not find any evidence
that this chemical has been banned by EPA. The latest label on file is
dated 2009 for the one product that you mentioned to me (EPA Reg.
#71096-6), and it has no indication in our database that it is
cancelled. One internet bonsai club blog site says that this is a rumor
with no truth behind it. I could not reach the EPA D.C. Chemical Manager
for the product to ask her if EPA has any actions against this chemical.
Her name is Mary Waller at 703/308-9354. If I hear back from her, I will
let you know.

Please refer to the linked EPA documents for the evaluation of the
chemical. Hope that this helps.

I do have some concerns though, now that you raised it, if this
pesticide should be used on bonsai plants at all?? Bonsai plants are NOT
listed on the label for the product, with only shade trees, fruit trees,
and roses listed on the label. Since bonsai plants are not listed, this
chemical should not be used on these plants, even though you stated that
this is a common and historic use for these products for bonsai growers.
Additionally, anyone using this product and selling the plants, would be
considered in commercial production and also must comply with the Worker
Protection Standards as required under the labeling.

https://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t8840-lime-sulfur-banned-in-us

(See attached file: CaPoly EFED rev.pdf)(See attached file: Ca Poly Env
Fate.pdf)(See attached file: Ca Poly label.pdf)(See attached file: Ca
Poly RED.pdf)(See attached file: Ca Ppoly FRN.pdf)

Donald Baumgartner
Pesticides Section (LC-8J)
Minnesota Technical Contact, R5 WPS Coord., Bed Bug Specialist
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Region 5

jake4bonsai wrote:Here you go! Straight from the enviornmental protection agency over pesticide use in the united states. If anyone has any other question you are more than welcome to contact he said. Im sure they cant watch everyone but when i spoke with him over the phone he did say they are going to check into its use for bonsai because they dont belive it should be used for this because its not registered or labeled for deadwood or bonsai use in general.

Jake,

As follow-up to our telephone conversation yesterday, regarding the EPA
cancellation of calcium polysulfide fungicide pesticides, please find as
linked below various EPA documents related to the calcium polysulfide
products and EPA's review of the chemical. I could not find any evidence
that this chemical has been banned by EPA. The latest label on file is
dated 2009 for the one product that you mentioned to me (EPA Reg.
#71096-6), and it has no indication in our database that it is
cancelled. One internet bonsai club blog site says that this is a rumor
with no truth behind it. I could not reach the EPA D.C. Chemical Manager
for the product to ask her if EPA has any actions against this chemical.
Her name is Mary Waller at 703/308-9354. If I hear back from her, I will
let you know.

Please refer to the linked EPA documents for the evaluation of the
chemical. Hope that this helps.

I do have some concerns though, now that you raised it, if this
pesticide should be used on bonsai plants at all?? Bonsai plants are NOT
listed on the label for the product, with only shade trees, fruit trees,
and roses listed on the label. Since bonsai plants are not listed, this
chemical should not be used on these plants, even though you stated that
this is a common and historic use for these products for bonsai growers.
Additionally, anyone using this product and selling the plants, would be
considered in commercial production and also must comply with the Worker
Protection Standards as required under the labeling.

https://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t8840-lime-sulfur-banned-in-us

(See attached file: CaPoly EFED rev.pdf)(See attached file: Ca Poly Env
Fate.pdf)(See attached file: Ca Poly label.pdf)(See attached file: Ca
Poly RED.pdf)(See attached file: Ca Ppoly FRN.pdf)

Donald Baumgartner
Pesticides Section (LC-8J)
Minnesota Technical Contact, R5 WPS Coord., Bed Bug Specialist
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Region 5

Oh-oh...as I said in page 2

Poink88 wrote:All the inquiries might be stirring the pot though and hasten the implementation of the ban (if there is one).

We are drawing undue attention to this issue!

Yeah, but he's said his obligatory piece, and if we don't wave a lime sulfured bonsai under his nose . . .

JimLewis wrote:Yeah, but he's said his obligatory piece, and if we don't wave a lime sulfured bonsai under his nose . . .

True and how would you like to be a bed bug specialist!

It would be busy times.

Hi,.

Has anybody noticed any changes in the US with supplies?

There are definite changes in the UK - I can't find a single 500ml bottle of full strength Japanese product anywhere, there are a few 100ml bottles at much the same price the 500's used to be, and a few supplies of suspect dilluted or homemade stuff in small plain bottles at silly prices.

I've done a little digging and it has become a favoured method of suicide - mixed with another common household product that I wont bother mentioning - There are plenty of suicide web sites detailing how to do it and where to get it.........hence what is at the moment seems to be a voluntary stop on import and supply - I've been told no one wants to be stuck with a load of stock if supply to the public is banned.

It appears some is in stock across Europe but removed from online shops - if any readers know of 500ml Original Japanese product bottles on any shelves can you let me know please. Alternatively if anyone else is interested in it I'll look to bringing some in from Japan as I've got a perfect contact for it there.

cheers Marcus

There hasn't been any notable difference that I've seen. You can still find the smaller size bottles from retail bonsai suppliers online; nothing on ebay however.

Orion wrote:There hasn't been any notable difference that I've seen. You can still find the smaller size bottles from retail bonsai suppliers online; nothing on ebay however.

No, I've just done a worldwide search and its all removed from ebay - even trawled through pages of the japanese auction site and none there - isnt it such a shame we cant bid on trees on their site -

marcus watts wrote:
It appears some is in stock across Europe but removed from online shops - if any readers know of 500ml Original Japanese product bottles on any shelves can you let me know please. Alternatively if anyone else is interested in it I'll look to bringing some in from Japan as I've got a perfect contact for it there.

Hm.. Just a quick search in dutch websites gave me this:

http://www.bonsaimoyogi.nl/Webwinkel-Product-4245297/Jin-Vloeistof.html

and here too:

http://www.bonsaistudio.nl/bonsaishop/N_frame.html?http://www.bonsaistudio.nl/bonsaishop/N_grp_9-1.html

You might look somewhere other than bonsai supply places. Pint bottles are available in GOOD nurseries here.

found through amazon.com, so there's at least 2 bonsai places that list it in stock:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lime+sulfur

It's possible that the lime sulfur products sold for veterinary use might be suitable (this is based on a discussion on another forum last year), you'd have to check the strength of those products.

Are there any suitable alternatives? Besides, I've been wondering for a good while now whether or not it's even worth using anymore; I'm getting tired of the 'bleached-bone' look. I usually cut it with carbon dust, ashes or ink, but will probably start looking more into using just a wood preservative and leave it at that.

Lime sulfur is still readily available. Theres no bann on it, you just have to look for it. Anyone that cant get it and wants it id be happy to help, i can get how ever much i need here. Quarts of high yield lime sulfur, 29%. good stuff! Just pm me if you need it.

jake4bonsai wrote:Lime sulfur is still readily available. Theres no bann on it, you just have to look for it. Anyone that cant get it and wants it id be happy to help, i can get how ever much i need here. Quarts of high yield lime sulfur, 29%. good stuff! Just pm me if you need it.

hi, thanks for the above info and offer of help but i am looking for the 500ml bottles of proper japanese LS in the UK as it is 94 or 96% and has given me such good results for so many years . The little 100ml bottles of this product are still available but now the same price as the 500's used to be, and lots of other dilute versions are freely available. The last 3 little bottles i have tried have been rubbish (all different brands) - it is too dilluted even used neat and goes green with algae very quickly - within weeks sometimes !. It also can be washed or rubbed off very easily too, nothing like the proper stuff.

the link to one of the dutch products looks pretty good though - cheers. one of the amazon pet products was 97% too, but from the US it may not get through postage so easily - hazardous liquid an all that

in every country there is real coke, and many other colas....... in the same way there is lots of yellow smelly liquid in bottles but some do it better than others I've found.

cheers everyone

Marcus

Ive heard others say the same thing but i really dont understand why a higher percentage would be needed because i use the 29% high yeild brand and if i dont use something to darken it, it will bleach snow white. Also i have trees i applied it too this time last year and its still as white as it was when i applied it and hasnt faded or turned green or anything. I water 3 times a day also due to the soil mix i use. Its looking like i may not even have to apply it to the same plants this year! Unbelivable!! Im not saying your wrong or calling you a liar, just sharing my exsperiance with this product. Is high yield lime sulfur available in the U.K.? I know its a lower percentage than your used to but it really is as good as i say it is. Sorry i didnt realize nor take the time to notice you live in the united kingdom when i made thhe offer, i could probably go to jail if i sent you lime sulfur or be fined heavily. Not sure.

I have I a 3/4 of a bottle of Ortho's Lime Sulfur that's 20% (Calcium polisufide) left.

I suppose someone could make their own but I don't know where you would be able to buy that much sulfur.

It's evident from my experience with the LS solution, that as you apply it in it's yellow color stage it penetrates the wood,
and kills any fungus, bacteria, etc. that keep it from rotting.

It's after the LS drys fully in a couple of days it's clearly the Lime that is left over- that is white in color.

I don't use it as often as I used to. I remember one time I put it on without using any burning etc.. and it was so white someone
on this forum or the old forum said, they where as white as the cliffs of Dover-not too white is what I like.

I found a recipe for Lime-sulfer solution.

Lime Sulfer solution

Lime sulfur can be home made but if you have close neighbors i would suggest making it when they are'nt home or not making it at all. It stinks to high heaven and thats no joke! Never ever try to make it inside your home or enclosed area of any kind. It must be done outside. The smell is horible and will not come out of clothes or any other fabric. The fumes i would think would'nt be the best thing to be inhaling.

I'm not so sure it is banned, probably just a rumor. There is some available at the below website in the US:

https://sites.google.com/site/westernnewyorkbonsaiclub/club-supporters/bonsai-shop/bonsai-shop-cont/bonsai-shop-page-3

I get mine here:

http://www.bonsaideals.com/home.php?xid=8633e9646eeb87820a5af956149ac809