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Post  drgonzo on Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:29 pm

For me at 1250 ft above sea level its more a matter of -10F with a constant 30 mph wind on some nights, thats a branch toaster right there! Freeze dried.
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Post  Russell Coker on Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:40 pm


Well, I guess I shouldn't bitch about having to haul in a few tropicals when we have frost and freezes. At least I don't have to worry about THAT kind of cold - and being eaten by foraging polar bears.

Bill, do you ever have any Euonumus sieboldiana for sale? I've always wanted one of those.

Chris, there is NOTHING like the fragrance of ume in bloom!


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Post  coh on Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:51 pm

The hunters do keep the local polar bear population in check, for the most part!

Of course, the flip side is that we don't often have to worry about heat stroke while watering trees in the summer!

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Post  moyogijohn on Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:04 am

Nice one Russell ,,you have been a long time with this one...please show it in spring !! take care john

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Post  drgonzo on Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:23 am

Russell Coker wrote:
Chris, there is NOTHING like the fragrance of ume in bloom!
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And thats how they'll get me, I'll wind up smelling one at some point and then that will be it, I'm such a sucker for a pretty flower that smells like heaven.

Russell I'm willing to bet you that shaping you observed below the soil line might have been a result of the cutting twisting and bending as it was thrust into its medium to root all those many years ago, I've had it happen with willow cuttings that, when dug up years later, had all this bending and twisting because the cutting bunched up when I pushed it into the ground.

just a theory..
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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:22 am

Jay, some old roses have that really spicey smell. Apricots are the same, but it's different. That's the closest comparison I can think of. It's not something you forget, for sure.

As for your theory, it doesn't surprise me. This plant has been completely pot grown, except for a couple of years when it grew through the drainage holes into the ground.

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Post  John Quinn on Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:05 am

Smells like a cross between Tea Olive and a spicey rose. Love it!

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:44 pm



Hey John, do you know about Camellia Forest Nursery near Chapel Hill? Just wondering if you've ever been. He has a nice ume list, and some too big to ship. I'd love to know what those are like...

Nice description of the fragrance too!

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Post  drgonzo on Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:55 pm

Russell Coker wrote:

Hey John, do you know about Camellia Forest Nursery near Chapel Hill? Just wondering if you've ever been. He has a nice ume list, and some too big to ship. I'd love to know what those are like...

I found myself all over his website last night, a very nice list indeed, I wonder if they are grafted or done from cuttings? I may shoot him an e-mail about that.....

and so it begins...
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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:10 pm



Jay, cool stuff for sure - but I'm not sure for your climate...

Oh, he says they're cutting grown.

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Post  John Quinn on Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:25 am

Have never been there, Russell.

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Post  drgonzo on Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:58 am

So is the difficulty with growing them in the cold north that they flower in say February while they are in cold storage? Can I bring them indoors at that point and let them go through their flowering cycle inside then nurse them along inside until spring?

I can grow them out in large pots and winter them over with my other trees thats not an issue

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Post  fredtruck on Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:22 am

I have one flowering now. I live in West Des Moines, IA. Since my winter storage is unusual and won't apply to very many people, here are some general things I've learned. You can bring them in, but it needs to be an unheated space, with light, that doesn't go below 35 degrees F., hovering around 40 degrees most of the winter. I bring my prunus mume contorta in about Halloween, when the temperature in my winter storage is about the same as it is outside. My tree needs lots of water and to bloom, lots of food. I've been working with my mume this way for seven years.

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Post  fredtruck on Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:35 am

Here is a picture I did of my prunus mume contorta.


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Post  Russell Coker on Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:10 pm

fredtruck wrote:Here is a picture I did of my prunus mume contorta.




That's a cool tree Fred! Thanks for sharing. Obviously, I can't help out with the winter storage/minimum temp problems - THANK GOD!!!

I've not seen 'contorta' before, please tell us its history. And I'm guessing - about 18 inches??

Thanks!

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Post  fredtruck on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:02 pm

Thanks, Russell. I appreciate the compliment.

My tree is about 24" tall. I got it in 2005 from Forest Farm as regular nursery stock (as a Valentine's Day present from my wife). It is grafted. I have a very large file (140 megabytes) that is available for download that gives the history of this tree in detail, with pictures. You can download it here:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24827596/The%20Development%20of%20a%20Prunus%20Mume%20Contorta.pdf

But, in brief, the development of this tree actually became my development in bonsai. When I first got it, the tree was about four feet tall. I cut it back, but my mume acquired its bunjin styling very gradually. I recognized what I could do with the tree and what I couldn't. After that, the issues centered on watering the right amount, and feeding to get flowers. Maybe because the pot I used for my mume is very small, I found I had to water and especially feed a lot more than most guides suggest.

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Post  Russell Coker on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:23 pm



Really nice Fred! And thanks for mentioning Forest Farm. They have tons of great stuff, and list 11 ume varieties including 'contorta'

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Post  fredtruck on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:53 pm

Thanks, again, Russell. I have to say that your flowering apricot has great potential. It will be interesting to see how it develops over time.

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Post  Michaeliezza on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:21 pm

Sorry to bring back an old thread but I felt this was the correct place to ask a few questions. First off that's an amazing collection of bonsai's you have.
I want to collect or purchase a flowering apricot and I live in Staten Island New York and it gets cold here.

My questions are what would be the best time to remove one from the ground or purchase one? ( help finding one for sale would be great cant find one anywhere in New York )

Once collected and of course put into a bonsai pot the correct way and start training it do I have to bring it inside for the winter or do I leave it outside all year? I would like to leave it outside all year and only bring it in the house when it is in blossom for a week or so then return it outside.

Sorry for such neiwbe questions as I just don't want to kill a tree, I do live in a house with a back yard that I have a really nice spot picked out for it once I can get my hands on one. I have kept bonsai before but years ago and never a flowering apricot so this will be my first one....also I have picked up a copy of Peter d. Adams book the art of flowering bonsai to really try an understand how theses trees thrive.
Thank you again for all your assistance.

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Post  coh on Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:02 pm

Michaeliezza wrote:
I want to collect or purchase a flowering apricot and I live in Staten Island New York and it gets cold here.

My questions are what would be the best time to remove one from the ground or purchase one? ( help finding one for sale would be great cant find one anywhere in New York )
My guess is that you'll have a hard time finding them for sale in your area, though you might be able to have a local nursery order one for you. Otherwise, you'll probably have to find a mail order supplier. Forest Farm has them as does Camellia Forest Nursery. You can also get plants from bonsai suppliers (Bill V at International Bonsai had them last year, I don't know about this year...his catalog isn't out yet).

Michaeliezza wrote:
Once collected and of course put into a bonsai pot the correct way and start training it do I have to bring it inside for the winter or do I leave it outside all year? I would like to leave it outside all year and only bring it in the house when it is in blossom for a week or so then return it outside.
I don't know what amount of winter protection they would need in your area...someone else would have to address that. I only have one plant that I put in the ground this spring. It grew vigorously this summer, but this will be its first winter outside...we'll see how it fares.

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Post  fredtruck on Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm

I think ume is safe at zone 6 for winter. I have one and I live in zone 5, but I keep it in a greenhouse-like environment during the winter. They're great trees, but demanding.

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Post  Russell Coker on Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:16 pm




Thanks Michaeliezza.

I don't think I'm going to be the one who can answer your questions since I'm at the other end of the ume problem. I'd take the advice of the others guys here from the great white north if I wre you. My problems revolve around finding varieties that actually do well in a low chill "winter", and keeping them hopped up on systemic insecticides to keep away the borers.

As for this tree, it is rocking along just fine. Even with this variety the colder the winter the better the flowering. Makes it happy, but not me!

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Post  Michaeliezza on Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:34 am

Well thanks everyone for all your help. I will keep trying and I am sure I will find one soon. What could I expect to pay for such a tree? I know that's a touchy question but I have seen pictures on the net like the one attached for 3,000 yen about $40 us is that correct?[img][/img]

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:53 am

I think you need to talk to the camellia forest folks.

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Post  coh on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:28 am

I don't see an image in the last post by Michaeliezza, so I have no idea what kind of tree he has in mind. Camellia Forest lists 3 varieties each for $30, but doesn't indicate pot or plant size. I've never purchased from them, but did call earlier this year to discuss camellias and they were very helpful on the phone. Forest Farm lists about 10 varieties in sizes from "tubes" (very small) to 5 gal. Prices range from $8 to $60. I got mine from them...it's a seedling, not one of the named varieties. I ordered the 1 gallon size ($12) and the plant I received was 30" tall and 1/4 inch trunk...basically a 2 year old seedling, I believe. I got it in late 2010, kept it in a pot for the first year, then put it in the ground this spring. It's now about 6' tall...haven't measured the trunk lately but appears to be between 3/4 and 1".

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