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Post  Robert Steven on Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:07 am

This is one of my very first bonsai, a ficus.



It had been restyled several time including a windswept many year ago...



And this is how it looks now (A) :



But I am not satisfied with it, I will change the pot and change the front as well..what do you say ?
Here are the other angles :

(B)



(C)



(D)



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Post  Katoom on Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:21 am

Nice development of bonsai, I vote for (B).

TFS!

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Post  lnvinh on Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:20 am

I think this picture is selected as the best surface for the edge of the stone and see no unsightly branches of the tree view is more convenient.






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Post  Neil Jaeger on Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:40 am

I think in the (C) picture the roots look amazing. Great tree!!

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Post  mbolos on Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:15 am

I agree with Neil on (C). You'll obviously have to reposition the branches/foliage a bit, but the way the roots cling to the rock from that side is amazing. Great job!

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Post  Robert Steven on Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:31 am

Thanks guys, so you all can view the pictures ? Very strange, I cannot open the pictures here. I am in China now and I can't even browse to hotmail since last night.

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:25 am

Hi Robert Steven

I like this front.
By the way....A funny way to make a tree look windswept...Let the vire do the job Smile



Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  landerloos on Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:58 am

I vote c, why?

More visible nebari (rootspread), and the rock is less dominating, I like the holes between the rock and the roots, this inperfection gives it a more natural look.

I know you have to rewire the whole tree Wink

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:49 am

Hi Robert.

I'll go for "A" or "B" but IMHO and If I were as brave as Robert Steven king , I would remove the separate branch forming the top canopy. By doing so, I'll probably end up with a branch formation hanging on the cliff. Even for the windswept I would do the same, I think it would create more drama in the composition and it will create a lighter or floating effect.
The roots also in these angles are less dominant C and D looks old alright but too heavy and not proportion with the rocks (cliff side), If a cliff with hanging ficus would be the theme.
...I know you already know the answer, but please do tell me (us) if my idea will work, I would also like to learn from your input.

...reminds me of my ficus on the rock too.

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:55 am

need help please,
virtual of "A" and/or "B" without the top foliage....poor in virt. scratch


regards,
jun Smile



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Post  carlos on Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:25 pm

Mr. Robert Steven,

Many have considered options A and B and no thouight has been given to option C, which deserves a little consideration.

I really like option C. It has a good 3-d quality in the branches and the tree embraces the stone in a very natural fashion: the thickest root on the left is well protected by the precipice and the ones on the right (exposed by erosion and wind), display good adherence qualities and "claw-like roots", similar to those portrayed in chinese paintings. Interesting composition.

Also and in order for this option to work, I suggest a wider pot or suiban, placing the tree on the far right and leaving open space on the left.

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Post  landerloos on Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:49 pm

landerloos wrote:I vote c, why?

More visible nebari (rootspread), and the rock is less dominating, I like the holes between the rock and the roots, this inperfection gives it a more natural look.

I know you have to rewire the whole tree Wink

Lind regards
Peter

hum hum Carlos

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:57 pm



I agree with Carlos AND PETER, "C".

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Post  Todd Ellis on Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:42 pm

Robert,
This is a great exercise for planning the future direction of your tree; thank you for the challenge! Very Happy I like the root formation on the rock in "C". You may decide to remove the lower main branch and work with just the top single main branch or vice versa as Jun suggests. I can't see the 3-D from the photos and think Carlos' suggestion of a wider suiban will make a big difference before removing wither of the branches. i love your tree.
Todd

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Post  Jerry Meislik on Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:50 pm

Robert,
We will enjoy seeing how you handle this.
Lovely piece.
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Post  Robert Steven on Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:14 pm

Thanks everyone for your participation. Sorry for my late respond, I am in China now and my connection sometimes very slow.

To be frank, I have 2 option now, but not decided yet. So why not let's make a fun contest...

You should select the option from these 4 pictures, but you should change the foliation arrangement and the container. Not neccessary for good sketch or simulation...deadline before X'Mas.
The one closest to my idea (might not be the best) will get my X'Mas gift..certainly a very special gift (will announce later..because this gift had been a hot issue on IBC sometimes ago..maybe someone can guess what's that... tongue )

OK..let's do it.... Bagpiper

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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:25 pm

....Now we're talking!

Time to replace my old and tattered books! hehehe. come on brain work work work, we need a new copy! bounce

regards,
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Post  Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:27 pm

The gift price by the way....I think is a Japanese To English dictionary. Right? Razz

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Post  marcus watts on Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:43 pm

hi Robert,

if you are going for a little change i would consider bringing the trunk in very much closer to the rock, viewing from picture C angle. Then train the branches out from the new trunk line.

For a complete and total restyle as a challenge make roots grow from the very top of the existing tree, turn the rock over completely so the new roots are in the pot, train the old cascade up the rock that has all the large roots still clinging to it. A Very powerfull rock image with clinging roots getting bigger as it ascends, and unique - to turn a tree on rock bonsai upside down. Laughing

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Post  marcus watts on Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:48 pm

jun wrote:The gift price by the way....I think is a Japanese To English dictionary. Right? Razz

haha, yes - but in needs to be english japanese words !! not all those little squiggly characters that look like little houses Laughing Twisted Evil

'obi wan kenobi' sounds japanese, would that be in there?

Laughing Laughing Laughing Marcus

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Post  Robert Steven on Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:50 am

Jun, it will be more than a dictionary, but if you win and you prefer dictionary, then it's fine..but don't be too optimistic.

Marcus, why don't you post your idea with rough sketch ?

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Post  Guest on Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:33 am

Robert Steven wrote:Jun, it will be more than a dictionary, but if you win and you prefer dictionary, then it's fine..but don't be too optimistic.

Marcus, why don't you post your idea with rough sketch ?


....I am always optimistic. hehehe. Positive thinking is always the way forward. and it is always in the forward movement that we will progress even in bonsai. Wink

Don't worry, i am not in here for the price of winning, I love challenges and the fun that goes with it. more people here in IBC are more capable than me, and I would love to see how they deal with the design challenge. I hope more people would contribute, I'll post mine soon.
Actually I was thinking for quite some time now, Why is the IBC admin not doing this sort of thing, it is very helpful in triggering the imagination.



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Post  Robert Steven on Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:43 am

jun wrote:Actually I was thinking for quite some time now, Why is the IBC admin not doing this sort of thing, it is very helpful in triggering the imagination.

regards,
jun Smile

Do you mean such "contest" ? I did posted my material on IBC for such contest to win my book sometimes ago, but it was deleted without reason. I don't know if it was deleted by accident or any other reason; but it was done in BonsaiNut,,and just fun...

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Post  Guest on Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:14 am

Yes that sort of thing. Although i dont want to call it a consest, to avoid being deleted again. Probably, the admin wanted it to be officialy sanctioned if it is a contest. That is why i wanted to call it a design challenge instead.
Why dont we asked the admin? If it is ok have a contest here. Again, my view in this is that it is a trigger for the imagination and would be fun to do.

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Post  Robert Steven on Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:22 am

jun wrote:Yes that sort of thing. Although i dont want to call it a consest, to avoid being deleted again. Probably, the admin wanted it to be officialy sanctioned if it is a contest. That is why i wanted to call it a design challenge instead.
Why dont we asked the admin? If it is ok have a contest here. Again, my view in this is that it is a trigger for the imagination and would be fun to do.

Regards,
jun Smile

What do you say..Admin ?

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