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I agree With you ...

Post  trantanhung_nt on Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:12 am

Hello My Friends - Stonener ,
Hello My Friends - Members IBC Forum ,
His method of cutting stone Mr. Chris is recommended proposal is really perfect ,
But you did not cut the stone , I agree with you because the stone - work is not cut and full of surprises .
Hope you are happy with this Stone - work .
Sincerely ,
Hưng - Trần .

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:01 am

Hi Stonener

I like your red stone with a white waterfall very much....the collor is awesome.
This daiza you made, would not have been my choise....sorry....Is the daiza made of wood?


I would want a much darker, dry brown collor...also do I think the rim you gave the daiza is much to wild, it could easily have been kept much more quiet. A profilerim held in a exact high all the way arround, could have made the daiza look lower, and give the eye a place to rest.

Kind regards Yvonne

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no cuts for me

Post  stonener on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:04 pm

whassup! My friend Hung!
Thank You!, for you agree with me... Suspect
Natural is always better way for stone.
see here your way in suiban... Basketball



cool summer feeling, as if swimming... cyclops


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seeing what you say

Post  stonener on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:33 pm

Thank You! Ms Yvonne,
Yes wood, but painted to give shiny wet look
I understand your suggestions!, there great!... cyclops
I will use them for sure! Please see here.
What you think of this next project,
your idea's in advance will save much heartache... Basketball

Master Peter! What say you?



nature has already cut this one... Suspect


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this was a "no brainier"

Post  stonener on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:18 am

Only one way to hold up stone for viewing,
special find IMO, naturally beautiful river polished nugget.
I see an animal on each side? you?
Solid cherry wood daiza, natural color to bring out honey color in stone.
TORIGAT-ISHI, & SARUGATA-ISHI 4.5x 5.5x 2" "Candy Jade"






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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  peterbrod on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:49 pm

Idea

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  trantanhung_nt on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:17 am

Hello My Friend STONENER ,
Mr. Peterbtod guided you ... can do a nice DAIZA for your stone ... ( I noticed that , what do you think about this ? )
On SUIBAN for this stone , I think : there must be a layer of sand containing in SUIBAN ... so you can sink deep into the stone in the sand and fully unfolded a beautiful mountain road above the sand ... ( I think so , you may want to test this ? )
Thank you your share .
Regards ,
Hưng - Trần .

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I see what you say

Post  stonener on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:38 pm

Sensei Peter!
Arigato Gozaimasu!
I hear your red lines... Suspect

OK Hung! will try sand,
under stone, not fill... Basketball

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attempting less

Post  stonener on Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:50 am

"Mile High Doha"
4.5 x 3 x 2.75
Jasper... Basketball


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another flat bottom

Post  stonener on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:42 pm

As I really like to display my stones on nothing but a jiita,
a flat board plain and simple, hiding nothing!
I have been told that a stone without a daiza is "NAKED!"
Well at home I will continue naked, but for display,
here is daiza... Basketball

Hey Sunip do you see, theater play?


front & back SUGATA MOYO-ISHI 5 X 6.75 X 2.75" CALIFORNIA RIVER JASPER



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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  sunip on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:16 am

[quote="stonener"]
Hey Sunip do you see, theater play?

SUGATA MOYO-ISHI 5 X 6.75 X 2.75" CALIFORNIA RIVER JASPER

Hello Stoner,
thanks for showing.
Nice stone with intriguing patterns and lovely color.
The patterns evoking a lot for me not yet emerged phenomenon.
As you suggest a figure stone;
i see in this picture a figure covering the head under the robe and hiding behind the raised sleeve
by making this dramatic and secretive gesture the robe is showing the image of a sitting demon.
Sunip Wink

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Arisaema triphyllum

Post  stonener on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:58 am

This is one that I would not have made a daiza for ether.
has a nice flat bottom, sits up perfectly on it's own.
Tried natural wood color but just not right, daiza seen 1st
so painted it black, but now makes stone look grey!
but not art without it... Basketball
SHOKUBUTSU MOYO-ISHI Ca. River Serpentine 6.75 x 9.25 x 3"



*jack in the pulpit*


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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  stonener on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:36 am

Please see here my latest work.
80ibs California Big Sur Jade.
"Nora Nora" 12.5 x 11 x 8.5"



before and after, what say you?

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  sunip on Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:37 pm

Hello Stonener,
That is a big stone, something over 30 cm and over 30 kg?
Like the previous one with the color of that mysterious flower, this one has a deep color as well.
It is a bit difficult reading from the pictures, can you show us a more frontal view?
Sunip Wink

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  stonener on Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:13 pm

Sunip "Thank You" my friend for your inquiry.
Stone as of today at Aiseki Kai Annual Suiseki Exhibition.
I will post full frontal views as soon as possible,
of both daiza and Stone

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  stonener on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:01 pm

I am really excited about this one!
most traditional one I've made yet,
lots of difficult hand work done.
what say you?...
stonener



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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  sunip on Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:44 am

Hello Stonener.
It is a pleasure contemplating this nice stone and
really good daiza work.
Is it a jade stone and collected by yourself?
When i am allowed to share a few of my thoughts;
I would try to make the feet smaller, less heavier, (narrower and less high) this way the daiza will get stronger.
( personally i would go further then i showed in the virtual)
The one indicated with the red line, i would see if it could have more emphasis to the left.
The color can be darker, no need to be afraid the black stone will get less black
if there is a bit red in the color (ofcours not to dark). Wink Lovely grain but let it get not to dominant.
When one side of the stone is a bit higher and the daiza has to level this out to reach the horizontal table floor it is standing on,
a line between the horizontal bottom line and the up going line of the top of the daiza can be helpful
to make the daiza a bit less heavy and prominent and to create a natural feeling for the horizon.
But it depends, the proportions have to be right and it should have a natural feeling and not attract to much the attention
otherwise it will show as an additional and artificial element, and the option without this levelling line is to be preferred.
Maybe i can live without this line but the feet and the color i would work on.
Just my humble thoughts seeing only this picture, see what others feel.
Sunip Wink

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  stonener on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:48 pm

Sunip! Thank You for your time and suggestions.
I totally agree they would be positive improvements,
will take lots of courage at this point to make changes.
Feet no problem done, also the color change was planed,
but leveling horizontal plain will be dangerous for me!
Great Ideas! hopefully I can man up...
stonener
*no pain no gain*

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  whisper38 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:13 pm

Stonener
Looks great to me,kind flavor my grandpa when he was alive laying on his back.the head is a dead ringer. Smile

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  peterbrod on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:34 pm

sunny

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  stonener on Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:31 am

Sunip-san
Stone is not jade nor found by me, Oh how I wish!
I'm just making the daiza for my best bonsai buddy.
This suiseki is from Japan and has some priory history.
My plans are to create a completely traditional daiza.
Thanks for your interest...

Great!...poole,
"Grandpa" sounds like a perfect name,
for your viewing stone.
welcome to the wonderful world of suiseki!
Enjoy the journey...

Sensei PETER
Thank You for the "red lines" I understand them,
but deeper will not be possible, this at point.
Japanese style's are very shallow, which start at down rolled edge of stone
no more wood left inside of the daiza to remove, as thin as possible now.
Stone although mostly worked flat, not level and mountain tops tilt.
see here naked stone...
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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  sunip on Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:17 am

Hello Stonener
This may an option to place the stone lower?
The wood will less easy crack or contort as well with this option i think.
Picture of the Capital Bonsai site.
The daiza of the distant mountain stone donated by Mr. Kenichi Oguchi at the National Bonsai & Penjing museum.
Sunip Wink

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  stonener on Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:59 am

Wow Sunip!
Now that is really something to think about.
brings to mind a talk on my grandfathers ranch.
"son do not dangle below the seat, black widows"
I will also carefully consider your suggestion.
and Thank You my friend for your kindness...
stonener

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  trantanhung_nt on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:48 am

Hello my friend Stonener ,
Your stone is great for me ... and you should pay more attention to the opinions of friends and try my best to make for it a best daiza...
Thank you and congratulate you .
Sincerely ,
Hưng - Trần .

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Andre Beaurain on Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:42 am

Jag.....very nice work my friend, Carving is not for the weak.
That is a powerfull daiza.

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