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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:54 am

Hi Stonener

Have you bought theese stones.....Or are you showing us stones for sale?.

Kind regards Yvonne

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take a second look

Post  stonener on Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:54 pm

Ms Yvonne,
I have tried hard to understand you,
Is this what you see, site angle change.
no these stones are not for sale!
so let us continue to talk daiza,
if you like... study


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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:31 pm

Hi Stonener

No, this is not the right front....please take a look at the stone, and have my two cornerlegs, to the farests sides, and then try again....at the end of the other red line is is vere your eyes are Smile

kind regards Yvonne

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still wondering why?

Post  stonener on Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:10 pm

well ok Ms Yvonne, then let us try this,
but the red arrow now points to what?
could you tell me why you think better?
all wrong? no need to be sorry just say how?
don't hold back! if I am to learn.
if you want to teach, I'm listening... Shocked

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:50 pm

Hi Stonener

First of all....I really like the surface of the stone...and thank you for showing theese angels.
But it is still wrong IMHO....it is somewere between, the two last photos "my" front is.
maybe my inglish is not good enough for explaining. maybe a another reader can explain, what I fail to do.

kind regards Yvonne....or back on the horse, and send one more photo Smile

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  sunip on Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:08 pm

Hi Stonener,
I think Yvonne is talking about the place between the two middle legs of the daiza.
Is that right Yvonne?
Sunip

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:31 pm

Hi sunip

thanks for trying to help....but it is not really the place between the legs...but the two places I have marked as the two outerlegs, that is important, they must both be visible at the same time, ..when they are that, you have found the front. And a new daiza can be carved.

Hope it helps Smile

Kind regards yvonne

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  peterbrod on Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:25 pm

Japanese dai has always outer legs Very Happy

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up date on process

Post  stonener on Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:59 am

Hello my friends at IBC,
for your opinions, Please see.
Have make several dazias now,
I think!, I finally got it, maybe? Almost!
Kinda close, so tell me what you really think.
Criticism has been the best teaching tool... Basketball

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  peterbrod on Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:23 pm

beautiful stone waterfall !!! bom

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READING THE RED LINES

Post  stonener on Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:59 am

I see what you mean... Suspect
feet same size,
out step foot, duck
were foot location,
thicker daiza, for taller stone.
THANKS PETER! will keep trying

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continuing effort

Post  stonener on Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:14 am

My latest efforts, comments anyone?
Looking forward to reading red lines, Peter!
Changed staging material to better show feet,
Hoping this makes viewing details easier,
Does anyone think they are too shinny?... Suspect
Is black ok? or would brown be better color?... Suspect












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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:33 am

Hi Stonener

You have been bussy daizamaking. ( I wish it was me, but I have to just work at the moment).

The stones look pretty.
The photos are a bitt small, and make it difficult for me, to take a closer look at the daizas, But I am sure they are nice.

Kind regards Yvonne

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need red lines

Post  stonener on Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:11 am

Sensei
Peter-san Like a Star @ heaven
time for feet,
where please,
you lead!, I follow... Suspect




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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  peterbrod on Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:43 am


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Post  peterbrod on Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:46 am


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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Chris Cochrane on Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:02 pm

Hi Joseph/'stonener'... This has become a nice thread. Yvonne started in responding that you must choose the stone's front before deciding where to place legs. It is best thought exactly as Yvonne described-- imagine two ends of the stone reaching a horizontal line perpendicular to the front facing view.

Something like this...

Peter expresses it well (& similarly) with his paired illustration...

The feet on the stones backside should fully support the stone but not be numerous (spider-legged). I would keep feet on the facing side to a minimum, as well. All feet should be of equal width.

Feet on extreme ends of the stone should be of equal mass to other feet-- use more than one foot if you cannot manage a credible foot as seen from the front on the stone's extreme end & also substantially support the stone at that end. Do not diminish the placement of two (or more) close feet by connecting them.

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10-4 over and out!

Post  stonener on Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:00 am

THANK YOU SENSEI PETER,
"I see" said the blind man!
as he picked up his hammer and SAW!
no floating ends, I have known this,
if look carefully can see feet on ends"
pictures make not good angle to see,
but feet are there at ends,
Placement? has been the trouble.
"do not put them were stone asks for them"
Has been my wondering, I can see,
points of weight, at out spots on stone.
as Sensei draws red lines, at locations

Yo! Chris you right on in putting red lines into words!
Spider Legs exactly, have been told by P M too many,
uniform size feet understood,Height proportions also noted,
I see dot as front, noted.
but angle of front depends on viewers preferences?,
tomato! tomatto!... Suspect

I want to Thank you both for you wonderful support,
and guidance, has been extremely important to me.
THANK YOU THREE! TEN THOUSAND TIMES... ThumbsUp
and Ms Yvonne! i include you Basketball ...

I will post finished results for further feedback?





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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Guest on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:52 am

Hi Stonener

Thank you for including me Smile , now the day have become much better sunny sunny .....

It is YOUR choosen right front, not any viewers Cool.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  dick benbow on Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:55 pm

Stoner,
sorry for the late reply.....yes, feel free to PM me if your ever up this way and I'll be glad to set aside time to walk the rivers together. I'm about half an hr from the sea-tac airport and two hrs plus, south of decent rivers to the north. best months are when our extraordinay deep snow runs off from the mountains in July,august and sept.October can work sometimes depending on our first frost of winter. doable but not quite as enjoyable.


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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  peterbrod on Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:24 am

stonener Idea

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"i see what you say"

Post  stonener on Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:17 am

Yes Sensei Like a Star @ heaven
I understand, wider at ends!
#1. as now can not be seen from front,
#2. so they can be seen from the front,
will do as you say!... study



Thank You for your time, effort!
and willingness to teach us... cherry


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ennie, meanie, mynee mo?

Post  stonener on Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:39 am

Hey Chris, which side would you choose
front is so important for placement of feet,
but having trouble deciding, open to suggestions... Suspect


this is my favorite type need only plain simple jiita, but might still want to make a daiza... Basketball

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  sunip on Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:57 pm

[quote="stonener"]Hey Chris, which side would you choose
Hello Stonener.
I am not Chris, anyway, i like this one as front.
Sunip Wink

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Re: to daiza or not to daiza...

Post  Chris Cochrane on Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:14 pm

Hi Joseph... I'd need to see the stone from overhead to choose a front as greatest "width" & "most flat (or even concave!)" front is best recognized from overhead. Sunip's choice is likely best. For a peak at one end, you would strive for a flat plain leading up to the peak in positioning the stone.

Re' Peter's defense of a massive feet on stone ends, I'll borrow from his illustration to suggest placement of the end-foot. His suggestion of the sighting (eye)-angle before the stone exaggerates the perspective, but the end foot should extend slightly forward of horizontal extension. Place a foot on the back closer to the end than Peter's recommended 'next-to-the-end' foot if needed for stability...

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