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Post  cram on Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:56 am

very nice work...well done! Basketball
it is not excatly the same ...but maybe your interpretation will be even better in the future

you re welcome marcus... Wink

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Post  will baddeley on Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:29 am

I hope this works out Marcus but it looks to me that you have cut the sap flow for the bottom branch.

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Post  landerloos on Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:33 am

will baddeley wrote:I hope this works out Marcus but it looks to me that you have cut the sap flow for the bottom branch.

Have to agree with Will, sure looks like that, I hope not.

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Post  marcus watts on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:23 pm

landerloos wrote:
will baddeley wrote:I hope this works out Marcus but it looks to me that you have cut the sap flow for the bottom branch.

Have to agree with Will, sure looks like that, I hope not.

Peter

hi guys -
thanks for the concerns but I think thats partly the problem with flat pictures. i'm pretty sure there is a good path remaining (fingers crossed anyway Very Happy ) - looking closely you notice the bulge in the raffia under the branch that goes to the right. This bulge is the base of that branch and a fair portion of it sits directly above the section of trunk behind the little jin. it is also decieving that the little jin was a branch coming straight at us (its being pulled up by the guy wire) so there is a fair bit of bark and a fully intact trunk behind it.

I guess only time will tell, but in 3D it looks like it will be ok. (next pic when its in a pot in 3 months, hopefully with the bottom branch Smile )

cheers Marcus


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Post  will baddeley on Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:20 am

Hello Marcus. Any updates on these 2?

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Re: scotts pine raw material - have a virtual play

Post  marcus watts on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:31 pm

will baddeley wrote:Hello Marcus. Any updates on these 2?

Hi Will,

the single trunk was traded in as part of my late summer clean out - i had about 12 trees too many so sold some then traded 6 trees for 5 nice potsat my local nursery

The triple trunk scotty was going great so i repotted it - found a 3ft + long coiled root so cut it back - 2 trunks lost their needles within weeks !!!! (leaving the biggest one totally unchanged). It has budded well and will end up as a proper bunjin with carved base now. Rolling Eyes

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Marcus

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Post  Vance Wood on Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:44 pm

marcus watts wrote:
will baddeley wrote:Hello Marcus. Any updates on these 2?

Hi Will,

the single trunk was traded in as part of my late summer clean out - i had about 12 trees too many so sold some then traded 6 trees for 5 nice potsat my local nursery

The triple trunk scotty was going great so i repotted it - found a 3ft + long coiled root so cut it back - 2 trunks lost their needles within weeks !!!! (leaving the biggest one totally unchanged). It has budded well and will end up as a proper bunjin with carved base now. Rolling Eyes

cheers,

Marcus

When did you do the root work on this tree? Just curious.

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Post  marcus watts on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:01 pm

hi Vance,
repotted late march - it was in a lump of soggy bog soil surrounded by rather large gravel. no roots were in the gravel and the soggy bog soil just unravelled all the way to the floor with one long pencil thick root - on the end of this was a lump of finer root. There were about 30% of the roots nearer the trunk so i cut the long one off - march had seen my garden reach 27 C then april may & jun were very cold and incredibly wet - not good pine weather and not good to encourage fast root growth. Because this was just a play about tree i left it on the bench as the greenhouse was full of black & white pines that had been repotted and were being kept dry (they were all 100% fine).

I use very free draining soil mixes as cornwall can be warm and wet - (my deciduous mix is similar particle size to many peoples pine soil) but the sudden drop in temperature and continuous rain following repotting would have stopped new root growth for sure, once the sun came out 2 trunks basically dried up - but the other is fine so the tree lives to fight another day Very Happy

cheers Marcus

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Post  Vance Wood on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:36 pm

Were you able to trace back what the root you cut was supporting?

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Post  marcus watts on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:53 pm

Vance Wood wrote:Were you able to trace back what the root you cut was supporting?

not really, it was a very long coiled root coming from within the other roots near the trunk - pines dont usually have the 'one root to one branch' relationship that a juniper has as sap easily circumnavigates the trunk as needed - this was a case of the weather turning un-seasonably bad and the tree not having or making enough root mass to support all the trunks - it was just a play about tree as i said tho, basically used for practice and learning from - i try to practice and experiment on stuff like this so disasters are avoided on the proper trees ! Very Happy Wink

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Post  Vance Wood on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:39 am

As long as you are prone to experiment try repotting a Scots Pine after the middle of June and see what happens.

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Post  Weeijk on Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:20 am

I like what you have done, hope that the bottom branch will survive, since thats the most important branch, which gives the caracter to your tree. For mw the less succesfull part in your composition is the top part of the trunk and apex, for this part this question:
In the original drawing the apex was above the trunk base. In your styling it's far more to the right, for my eyes and view it now looks more like a windswept tree, otherwise its out of balance. Is it your intention to pot up the tree in the future more to the left or change the apex and place it more to the left?

with kind regards Wessel

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Post  marcus watts on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:25 am

Weeijk wrote:I like what you have done, hope that the bottom branch will survive, since thats the most important branch, which gives the caracter to your tree. For mw the less succesfull part in your composition is the top part of the trunk and apex, for this part this question:
In the original drawing the apex was above the trunk base. In your styling it's far more to the right, for my eyes and view it now looks more like a windswept tree, otherwise its out of balance. Is it your intention to pot up the tree in the future more to the left or change the apex and place it more to the left?

with kind regards Wessel

i think you are talking about the tree that was sold a few months ago (mentioned about 5 posts above). i only have the bunjin multi trunk one now, with one trunk haha.

Hi Vance, yes I'm happy to keep experimenting and i'll try that when one of the play about trees needs doing -

cheers Marcus

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Re: scotts pine raw material - have a virtual play

Post  Weeijk on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:45 pm

sorry, over read that post Embarassed

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Post  marcus watts on Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:21 pm

Weeijk wrote:sorry, over read that post Embarassed

haha, thats ok, easily done. all the branches on that tree did fine. It was only £20 as a club do so was perfect for more playing about with

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Root growth

Post  gman on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:19 pm

Hi Marcus,
I'm curiuos about your comment about limited root growth (not ideal conditions-a cool and wet April through June ) after your March repot of the pine. Its been my expereince that one doesn't need to have high temperatures to have root growth, some studies show that you can get root growth at 4 degrees (C).....but for optimum growth warmer temps are surely needed. Good work nonetheless.
Are you located on close to the coastal influence - I do have some idea of your lovely county as I've spent many a summer holiday in Falmouth visiting relatives ....when we lived there.
Cheers Graham

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Post  marcus watts on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:40 pm

gman wrote:Hi Marcus,
I'm curiuos about your comment about limited root growth (not ideal conditions-a cool and wet April through June ) after your March repot of the pine. Its been my expereince that one doesn't need to have high temperatures to have root growth, some studies show that you can get root growth at 4 degrees (C).....but for optimum growth warmer temps are surely needed. Good work nonetheless.
Are you located on close to the coastal influence - I do have some idea of your lovely county as I've spent many a summer holiday in Falmouth visiting relatives ....when we lived there.
Cheers Graham

hi,
it was the excess wet combined with a long cold snap that followed our really hot march that mucked things up - the trees well and truely woke up - i was repotting Acer kiyohime january 22nd i think, other maples and deciduous through feb and conifers in march - my mercury thermometer showed reflected temperatures of 31C off the benches in full sun through mid march. The following long cold wet spell basically stopped the entire tree growing so all growth above and below was minimal - then constant wet takes its toll on pruned pine roots, temp then doesnt really come into it. This tree only suffered die back because i left it out in the weather and reduced the root by 70% - the good pines that were repotted the same were all in the greenhouse keeping dry and all were fine. Very Happy

i'm not coastal, 6 miles inland but lovely and mild. - so far this year my lowest night time bench temp has been +1C.

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