Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

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Post  cosmos on Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:35 pm

Hi Jose Luis,
Thanks again for the pictures you shared with us. I see that there are many more casuarinas in training in the foreground. Have they all been grown from seed or air-layers?

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Post  Ka Pabling on Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:37 pm

in the Philippines the local name of casuarina is agoho its one of my favorites. I have a few in my garden I will try to post it soon

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  jrodriguez on Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:32 pm

Pady,

Indeed, agoho is the name in the Phillippines for casuarina.

Please post some pics and include some Balete, bantigue and lemoncito.

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jose luis

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Post  Ka Pabling on Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:43 am

Here are some pictures of Casuarina Equisetifolia (Agoho or cemara udang or mu ma huang) Pemphis acidula (bantigue ) various species of balete mostly red balete, Murraya paniculata(jasmin, kamuning) and Tamarindus SP (Sampaloc). I dont have a lemoncito right now I am not so keen to it. I will try to post other tropical species next time. I don't know if I uploaded these pictures correctly, but it's probably in my gallery. Anyone who can give me tutorial will be highly appreciated. Smile









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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  jrodriguez on Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:43 pm

Pady,

Lemoncito (Triphasia Trifolia) is a good species for bonsai. Unfortunately, getting on with a thick trunk is very hard. I have one with a very beautiful trunk. I will try to post it later in a different thread. By the way, you bantigue is beautiful. When they develop more they will be very stunning.

Thanks for posting the trees. Are you from Pangasinan?

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Jose Luis

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Post  Ka Pabling on Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:37 pm

I used to have some lemonsitos but the trunks are not so impresive so I got rid of them.Yes lemonsitos are good for bonsai they look great specially when they are in bloom.

I am from Antipolo City, have you ever been to Pangasinan?, or you know somebody from there.

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Post  jrodriguez on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:46 pm

Pady,

I know a lot of people from Phllippines. Mr. Bobby Gopiao, Mr. Yumie Gupit, Mr. Fely Gupit and many others. Also, MR. Ogi Uyehara is my friend.

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Jose Luis

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Post  leonardo on Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:01 pm

[quote="padychitan"]Here are some pictures of Casuarina Equisetifolia (Agoho or cemara udang or mu ma huang) Pemphis acidula (bantigue ) various species of balete mostly red balete, Murraya paniculata(jasmin, kamuning) and Tamarindus SP (Sampaloc). I dont have a lemoncito right now I am not so keen to it. I will try to post other tropical species next time. I don't know if I uploaded these pictures correctly, but it's probably in my gallery. Anyone who can give me tutorial will be highly appreciated. Smile
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I would like to see the orange jasmine, Murraya p if you get a chance.


ciao.....Leonardo

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  Ka Pabling on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:37 am

jrodriguez wrote:Pady,

I know a lot of people from Phllippines. Mr. Bobby Gopiao, Mr. Yumie Gupit, Mr. Fely Gupit and many others. Also, MR. Ogi Uyehara is my friend.

Kind regards,
Jose Luis


All from PBSI, they are my good friends too. I suppose you have visited the Phil, already?
Is there a way you can post the other winners of WBFF photo contest?

Best regards

Pabling

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  Ka Pabling on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:05 am

here are the other pictures

Various balete specie, mostly red Balete


Various balete specie, mostly red Balete (Defoliated stage)


Red Balete


Agoho


Murraya Paniculata (Jasmin, Kamuning)


Agoho

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Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:28 pm

Hi Pady,
Is that last Agoho a yamadori? What mix do you use to grow your Agoho?

Thanks for sharing.
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Agoho (casuarina equisetifolia}

Post  Ka Pabling on Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:20 am

Hi Cosmos

Yes it is yamadori, I think more than 95% of our trees here are yamadori. I use river sand for all species that are collected from the coast like bantigue, agoho, bantulinao etc., growing in rocks and sand is their natural habitat.
You can only get trees with this kind of trunks if they are collected fron the coast.

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  cosmos on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:53 pm

Hi padychitan
Thanks for your reply. I tried to collect two yamadori but failed. I left the soil from the site I picked up the tree since I have read on Bonsai Focus and other books, that the roots of casuarina has a symbiotic relationship with a fungus and also have minute root nodules with bacteria that change atmospheric nitrogen into usuable nitrates. I thought that making a new mix for the yamadori would upset such associations and what you are telling me i.e. using river sand alone, would not be conducive to craeting such mutalisms. Can you pl elaborate on how you carry out your yamadori on such trees.

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  Ka Pabling on Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:50 pm

Hi Cosmos

I think that what you are telling about a "symbiotic relationship with a fungus and minute root nodules with bacteria etc." does not only apply to casuarinas but to all yamadori. It is a good practice to bring a portion of the soil where you dig the yamadori and mix it to your potting medium so the useful bacteria present in that soil could multiply in the new medium.The use of humic acid can help this usefull bacteria multiply.

I use volcanic cynder and course river sand as medium for my casuarinas for good draining. Casuarinas hate to be waterlogged.It has been our experience to leave some branchlets of collected casuarinas for better survival. Those that are totaly defoliated usualy dont suirvive.

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Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:20 pm

Hi padychitan
Thanks for the information you shared. Indeed, it will become very useful when I attempt another yamadori. All my yamadori had no branches and perhaps also the mix I used was not that optimal.

While googling around on casuarinas I found a photo (that I am trying to change into a type that can be posted; but dont know how as yet) of a casuarina tree to which some casuarina saplings have been 'welded'. It appears that the technique is similar to that used to fatten ficus, whereby several ficus saplings are nailed and wrapped around a more mature ficus until these saplings fuse and weld wth the mother plant. Do you have any experience with such a technique on casuarinas?

Thanks again.
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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:30 pm


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Post  Ka Pabling on Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:46 pm

This technique of fusing is a very comon to ficus, I often do this to microcarpa, in just one year it will fuse perfectly well but I have not tried it with casuarina. In the pic you posted It seems it works well! Its easier to get casuarina saplings from nurseries.

What I do with microcarpa is to bind together about four sa[lings, one each for the first branch back branch second branch and for the crown then program it this early, in one year I will have a semi finished bonsai. I will try this with casuarina. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  allan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:34 pm

hi Mang Pabling ! i saw ur bonsai in this forum and they all great, is been quit a while since our group see each other( KPBSI) ,i hope one of dis day BOY and I will visit ur place .i also had new yamadori casuarina ,one of dis ill post d pictures.



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Post  allan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:46 pm

my yamadori casuarina semi cascade

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Post  allan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:50 pm

other yamadori casuarina

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Post  Ka Pabling on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:58 pm

Hi Allan

Nice to hear from you please do come when you have time.
Where did you get this agoho? Is it from Bicol?
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Yamadori Casuarina

Post  cosmos on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:31 pm

Hi Allan,
Very promising yamadori of Casaurina. I see that you have collected them without any 'leaves'. According to padychitan, it is better to leave some branchlets when collecting casuarinas for better survival; those that are totaly defoliated usualy dont suirvive. What is your experience in this regard.

Thanks for sharing
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Post  allan on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:46 pm

hi Mang Pabling ,

Yes they all come from Bicol ,actually they are 5 in all ,i post the other pictures , the first two ive planted are already in steady condition

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Re: Casuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang)

Post  allan on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:57 pm

cosmos wrote:Hi Allan,
Very promising yamadori of Casaurina. I see that you have collected them without any 'leaves'. According to padychitan, it is better to leave some branchlets when collecting casuarinas for better survival; those that are totaly defoliated usualy dont suirvive. What is your experience in this regard.

Thanks for sharing
Cosmos

hi cosmos ,

one of the experience ive notice with yamadori casuarina , the trees collected from d wild had a very thick dead bark , underneath this bark you will notice pest n insect living ,so for better survival of trees try to remove all those dead bark ,for me i used wire brush to clean d trunk ,and even used scraper to carefully remove those bark, then definitely plant ur tress in well drain medium for me i used combined compost n volcanic cinder

i hope this tip help

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Post  allan on Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:11 pm

other casuarina planted it last more than 1 month ago

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