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Post  Ryan on Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:27 pm

Hey everyone,


I bought this fat Willow Leaf Ficus off of eBay, my first eBay tree purchase. It was on sale for $55, but I asked $45 and got it, and with shipping it was a total of $60, even shipped with the Mica pot it came in. It has a trunk of well over 2 inches, and stands around 7 inches tall. I am very pleased with it. Personally, I think it is already a specimen and there is not much I really need to do with it to make it look better. Just thought I would share with you all.







Your thoughts?

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:20 pm

Hi Ryan

Nice tree.
I would direct the branches began to be harmonious in a tree.
Gretings Pavel


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Post  Lazaro Quintino on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:39 pm

Glad you liked the tree.

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Post  Ryan on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:57 pm

Pavel Slovák wrote:Hi Ryan

Nice tree.
I would direct the branches began to be harmonious in a tree.
Gretings Pavel


Thank you Pavel. I will try to do as you have drawn, nice idea.

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Post  Ryan on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:59 pm

Lazaro Quintino wrote:Glad you liked the tree.

Oh wow, had no idea you were a part of the IBC. Thanks again!

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Post  AdamG on Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:51 am

Nice ficus Ryan!

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Post  Ryan on Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:57 pm

Another idea given to me:



Personally I think that is far too drastic. I don't see why that would need to be done. What I am really trying to do is make the transition from the huge trunk into the canopy seem less bothersome to the eye. And that may need to be done by pulling that curving branch in the front down. I'm not sure.

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Post  JimLewis on Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:26 pm

Basically, what you have here is a stump with a lot of sprouts going off every which way. The abrupt cutoff from stump to branches is a bit offputting -- at least to me.

If this were mine, I think I'd cut all the branches but that center one, plant the tree in a large, shallow box and grow the H out of it for a few years. Eventually, you will get a trunk and a top that is worth working on.

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Post  Ryan on Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:48 pm

JimLewis wrote:Basically, what you have here is a stump with a lot of sprouts going off every which way. The abrupt cutoff from stump to branches is a bit offputting -- at least to me.

If this were mine, I think I'd cut all the branches but that center one, plant the tree in a large, shallow box and grow the H out of it for a few years. Eventually, you will get a trunk and a top that is worth working on.

Thanks Jim. I'm curious though, won't the cutoff from stump to branches always be visible?

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Post  Todd Ellis on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:29 am

Hi Ryan,
Jim's idea will take time to develop and eventually the pruning scars will become "points of interest" along the trunk; they will heal over. I saw this tree on eBay too. You can find some good deals there. But always remember "buyer beware".
Todd
Here is a ficus I bought last year on eBay and am very please with the purchase:


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Post  Ryan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:31 am

Another thought, a friend of mine drew this up for me. My tree is the tree on the right, what I should aim for is on the left. Basically I would need to let the main branch in front grow out more, then cut it back once it is much thicker:


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Post  Ryan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:33 am

Todd Ellis wrote:Hi Ryan,
Jim's idea will take time to develop and eventually the pruning scars will become "points of interest" along the trunk; they will heal over. I saw this tree on eBay too. You can find some good deals there. But always remember "buyer beware".
Todd
Here is a ficus I bought last year on eBay and am very please with the purchase:


Oops we posted at the same time. I was always afraid of buying trees on eBay but the seller (Lazaro) appeared to be a trustworthy one, and he is, so I went for it. That is a very nice tree you got from there! Shipping must've cost a pretty penny though.....

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Post  Ryan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:48 am


Now, here's the problem. If I make that branch we are discussing the leader, won't it leave a big ugly dead area behind it? As in, this branch does not come out at the center of the trunk, but at the front of it instead. I tried my hardest to illustrate what I mean using MS Pain. Pretend you're looking at the tree from the side. The main branch, or future leader, is the ugly thing shooting upwards. That leaves the big gap behind it.



See what I'm saying?

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Post  ponsmaldo on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:32 am

this are all very educational for since I'm a beginner. I planted my first bonsai's about 9 years ago without guidance. now at least I'm seeing some great ideas here. Thanks people! Very Happy

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:58 am

The new leader will, in time and after side branches have formed along it, fatten to the point where the taper point will not be so evident.
Eventually, you can do this. If it's dead, the tree won't care.



It will take time -- perhaps quite a bit of it -- but that's what bonsai is.

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Post  Ryan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:47 pm

JimLewis wrote:The new leader will, in time and after side branches have formed along it, fatten to the point where the taper point will not be so evident.
Eventually, you can do this. If it's dead, the tree won't care.



It will take time -- perhaps quite a bit of it -- but that's what bonsai is.


Thank you Jim. I'm going to be repotting it into a 1 or 2 gallon pot today to allow it to really take off, then I will see what exactly the tree wants to do.

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Post  Ryan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:19 pm

All potted up, time to let it grow!





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Post  Ryan on Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:52 am

Since updating this thread I've repotted this tree into a 12 inch bulb pan and cut it back quite drastically. Sorry Lazaro! But I feel like this really makes it my tree now, and will hopefully solve the taper issue. I thought about you the whole time I was cutting the branches off, so if it's hard for you to look at, I understand Laughing

It's now inside resting under lights. Here it is:




I'm wondering if I should reduce the branches at the top of this new apex. As it is now the top of the branch is rounded, with a new leader not yet defined. Should I pick one? If so, which one?

Thanks all!

P.S. This may need to be moved to 'Bonsai Questions' now that questions are involved.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:56 pm

I have a very similar tree. Mine started as a root cutting
Here it is as of today. The main trunk has fattened nicely and the chop scar is 70 % healed (on the back).
Pot by me.





This is the same tree back in 2005. Same pot - maybe never repotted (I can't remember). The secondary chop (facing the front) has totally healed already.


I took a shot of it defoliated in 2007


Several years ago I did an article on shohin Willow Leaf ficus and for it
I made this drawing to explain the history of this tree. Hopefully it can shed
some light on your tree's progress. Good luck and have fun.


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Post  Ryan on Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:06 pm

Wow very nice Robert! Beautiful little tree!

I had always known about the huge tubers that Willow Leaf have, and I've removed plenty of them from trees, but I could never get them to get growing. No matter what I did nothing worked. I can get regular cuttings to take just fine, but the roots just don't work for me. How do you root them?

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:51 pm

Ryan wrote:Wow very nice Robert! Beautiful little tree!

I had always known about the huge tubers that Willow Leaf have, and I've removed plenty of them from trees, but I could never get them to get growing. No matter what I did nothing worked. I can get regular cuttings to take just fine, but the roots just don't work for me. How do you root them?

I just put them in soil. But remember I live in a subtropical climate where it's hot and humid for a good part of the year.
Here is another root cutting with more of the root exposed. I call it the "Keilbasa Ficus". Pot by Dale Cochoy.
It's my experience that the root cuttings have a much better scar covering capability than non-root Ficus nerifolia cuttings (F. salisifolia or F. Sallacaria)


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Post  bucknbonsai on Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:42 pm

Why are your ficus indoors, Im familiar with your area (and have grown ficus in that zone) and you potentially have another month of good growing weather for ficus. I think you are disturbing this tree to much for having it indoors. you should leave it alone till next june when its outside and vigorous. when you bring them in just leave them alone because even with the artificial greenhouse (which I have used) they just dont like it.

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Post  Ryan on Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:34 am

bucknbonsai wrote:Why are your ficus indoors, Im familiar with your area (and have grown ficus in that zone) and you potentially have another month of good growing weather for ficus. I think you are disturbing this tree to much for having it indoors. you should leave it alone till next june when its outside and vigorous. when you bring them in just leave them alone because even with the artificial greenhouse (which I have used) they just dont like it.

This tree has been outside. I only just recently brought it in.

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Post  Sam Ogranaja on Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:09 pm

Wow, great work Rob. And great pot.

That post is very helpful.
Have a great week!!!!
Sam

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Post  Ryan on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:49 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:
Ryan wrote:Wow very nice Robert! Beautiful little tree!

I had always known about the huge tubers that Willow Leaf have, and I've removed plenty of them from trees, but I could never get them to get growing. No matter what I did nothing worked. I can get regular cuttings to take just fine, but the roots just don't work for me. How do you root them?

I just put them in soil. But remember I live in a subtropical climate where it's hot and humid for a good part of the year.
Here is another root cutting with more of the root exposed. I call it the "Keilbasa Ficus". Pot by Dale Cochoy.
It's my experience that the root cuttings have a much better scar covering capability than non-root Ficus nerifolia cuttings (F. salisifolia or F. Sallacaria)


Very very nice Rob! I've never taken any tubers off that were that size, but if I do I'll give rooting them a shot. That's incredible!

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