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Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Tue May 31, 2011 6:25 pm

Hello,
How are you?
I m Louis and i live in Belgium. I dont speak very English so....
I've a little podocaprus (1 foot i think - 30 cm).
I dont like the first right branch. What can i do for this branch? And for the first links branch??
Should you tell me that i should do on my podocarpus or if you have time Can you make a picture with the modifications please???




What can i do to develop the ramification of my podocarpus:)
Thank you very very very much..

Louis

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:21 am

Please Can you explain me how i can cut my podocarpus to become a nice bonsai beacause i don't know how i must cut.

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Louis

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:23 pm

Louis

I don't do "viturals" but I would ask a couple of questions and make a few suggestions.

1. Hopefully the tree is outside as much as your climate permits. Maybe 100% of the time now?

2. Are you misting the tree? I see what looks like white residue on the leaves. Misting is not helpful and can be harmful to your tree.

3. Remove the little bit of wire you have on the tree, it doesn't look heavy enough to do any good and will only damage the tree.

4. I will try a virtual but I would make the tree a bunjin, removing most of the branches and possibly making jin of them.

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:41 pm

My poor idea. I would jin the stubs of the two larger branches.


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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:43 pm

Hello,

This podocarpus is outside since march to october/november probably.
I mist it sometimes but no everytime.
Now, i removed the wire.

Il like your virtual but i must be able a lot of branche :s
I think that i'd like to keep the myogi form.


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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:10 pm

lou1994 wrote:Hello,

I think that i'd like to keep the myogi form.

Than you very much.

I am glad you are able to have the tree outdoors.

I don't know what "myogi form" means.

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:19 pm

Hello,
I ve every tree outside Wink

I got you a links for the form moyogi sorry i did a error affraid
there is a picture: http://babadubonsai.voila.net/debut/debmoy/debmoy.html

Do you know thaht?

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:15 pm

The website gives you a model to follow, but not every tree will follow a given model.

LA FORME VERTICALE IRREGULIERE (Informal Upright Style)

Moyogi

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  daniel58 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:36 am

Hi Lou
I think you could achieve this result below after 3-4 years.
Check the soil, fertilize and water and voila.
Left first branch is too low, but it's better then nothing.
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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Ryan on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:59 am

daniel58 wrote:Hi Lou
I think you could achieve this result below after 3-4 years.
Check the soil, fertilize and water and voila.
Left first branch is too low, but it's better then nothing.
Daniel


I like your virt! But I feel if he were to take the tree that way, that this would look a little better, but this is only my opinion. Let me know what you think:


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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Guest on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:16 am

Ryan wrote:
daniel58 wrote:Hi Lou
I think you could achieve this result below after 3-4 years.
Check the soil, fertilize and water and voila.
Left first branch is too low, but it's better then nothing.
Daniel


I like your virt! But I feel if he were to take the tree that way, that this would look a little better, but this is only my opinion. Let me know what you think:



If it were mine, based on Ryan's virt, I'll keep only the second branch on the left for a full literati design.


secondly,...I think this thread belongs to the bonsai section of the forum.

regards,
jun Smile

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Ryan on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:27 am

jun wrote:

If it were mine, based on Ryan's virt, I'll keep only the second branch on the left for a full literati design.


secondly,...I think this thread belongs to the bonsai section of the forum.

regards,
jun Smile


Great idea jun!


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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Guest on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:34 am

That's more like it Ryan, then the branch can be grown and extended downward.

regards,
jun Smile

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:45 am

Hello everybody,

Firstly, Thank you very much for the virtual.They are very very good.
I prefere the daniel 58's virtual
and the first Ryan's virual : ..
It's more my thought.
For the tree it is in new akadama for 3 month and i fertilize it avery 2 weeks.

How can i do to have nice branch like the virtual? because now she is not so good, small ..

Thank you

Louis

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:32 am

How can i do to have nice branch like the virtual? because now she is not so good, small ..

Usually the way to get growth is to fertilize, you are doing that.

The other is to let the branch you want stronger to grow without pruning, while the other areas of the tree are pruned, this will hopefully force growth in the direction of the unpruned branch.

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:03 pm

Hello,
Are there not other way?

I found that on internet : " If a branch is long and has no secondary branching the best way to encourage side branching is to remove all old leaves and cut new leaves in half " and "If the branch is short and you want to start developing ramification as the branch grows ā€“ the best way is to cut the branch back to the older leaves and reduce those in half " and your explication?

What must i do Smile

Thank you
LOuis






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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:47 pm

There are different characteristics of a branch.

1. The suggestion I made was directed at making the branch healthier and thicker.

2. Ramification, secondary or greater branching is another topic, the information you quote will increase ramification but not result in a thicker branch as quickly, in fact, it might reduce the rate at which the branch thickens.

Grow a branch long and uncut to help it get healthy and thicken, cut the branch to get ramification.

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  ortizdhs on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:35 pm

Billy M. Rhodes wrote:
lou1994 wrote:Hello,

I think that i'd like to keep the myogi form.

Than you very much.

I am glad you are able to have the tree outdoors.

I don't know what "myogi form" means.

Well if we are really wanting to help it doesn't take a genious to see that he tried to say Moyogi:
Moyogi
The informal upright style is common in both nature and in the art of Bonsai. The trunk grows upright roughly in the shape of a letter ā€˜Sā€™ and at every turn branching occurs. Tapering of the trunk must be clearly visible, with the base of the trunk thicker than the higher portions.

Peace

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:52 pm

Hello,

I made new pictures today.

Front:


Right:


Behind


Left


What must i change to look like the virtual.




Billy M. Rhodes wrote:

Grow a branch long and uncut to help it get healthy and thicken, cut the branch to get ramification.


I do that.
So, i let grow this branch and i cut in the future?
When do i should cut the branch?

Which other branch can i cut know.
I ll give you other pictures from today.

Thank you very much
Louis

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:46 pm

Hello,
First i gonna work the top this week.
What do you think about the top of my virtual?


Thank you
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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  daniel58 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:25 pm

Hi Lou
I don't know too much about podocarpus species, but I think you can use
general rules to develop your tree.
Step 1. Check the soil. If needed repot the tree in good soil. Anchor with wires
to the pot. When to repot?. Search internet about podocarpus.


Step 2. Remove all wires and rewire tree as shown. Bend upper part of the trunk
and right branch. It won't be easy with branch because of short distance
between greens and trunk. Perhaps you should use double wires.


Step 3. After good fetilization you should achive something like this.


Step 4. After perhaps two seasons your tree may looks that way.
Explanation: red area - pinch growth to make ramification, blue area - let it
grow freely (sacrifice branches).


That's why you shouldn't prune first left branch too early, or concern in only
ramification - trunk thickness.
If you are satisfy with the trunk - cut sacrifice branches.
Green area - you must work on it, perhaps under soil line there is nice thick root
growing to the left.
And remember bonsai is 3D object, so you need to have branches at the back of
the tree.

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:30 pm

hello,

Waw Wink thank you.

So I let grow up?

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  JimLewis on Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:52 pm

That is a species of Podocarpus that I am not familiar with. It looks interesting.

Of the virtual images offered, I like the one with he tree groups of foliage by far the best, but you might conside leaving a stub of that low branch for an eventual jin. The "literati" version looks too much like a question mark.

I wold, frankly, put it into a large pot and let it grow freely for a couple of years. And you could wire the branches into a mor realistic form, not so much of a symmetrical, bowed shape.

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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  Sam Ogranaja on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:43 pm

I agree with Jim. Bigger pot would give you faster growth.

Daniel......GREAT JOB!!!!!! Above and beyond what I've experienced on most forums.
Have a great week!!!!
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Re: Idea for podocarpus

Post  lou1994 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:57 pm

Hello everybody,

I have a bad news. My tree for unknow reason decided to lost his up. He lost 4 branches and he keeps only 2 branches.
So i let you somes pictures:




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