Tall leggy Black pine

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Tall leggy Black pine

Post  Arno on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:24 am

Ive got a fairly young BP that was given to me because it was almost dead. I put it in a new pot fertilized and watered and it looks pretty good now. The problem is its tall and leggy. My question is, I dont want a literati, can I bury the bottom with soil and root hormon and hope to get roots and build a thick wider nebari closer to where I want the base?

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Post  Arno on Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:51 pm

Nobody has any info on this?


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Post  Guest on Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:56 pm

Hdello Arno. It's very difficult to give an idea without a picture. Burying the trunk is probably not a good idea and the chance of the trunk rooting are slim. There maybe another solution if you show the tree.

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Post  Arno on Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:38 am

Thanks will for always hurmoring me Very Happy Maybe your right I should post pics with my threads to get more respnse. Im ashamed to show photo cause its young, but I just wanted an idea for the future. Whats the best way to thicken a BP.

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Post  Guest on Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:01 pm

Hello Arno. Not a problem if it's very young. Infact you can reduce the height with wiring and twisting. Post a picture.

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Post  stavros on Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:43 pm

there is no shame to upload a picture of a young tree....do not be fooled that all of us here are grand masters Very Happy
(luckily there are some amongst the members and quite a few experienced members as well)

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Post  BONSAI_OUTLAW on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:03 am

Just show it.

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Post  Arno on Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:32 am

Ok here ya go




So its small, and young but i want to develop it right hence the questions. Plus it was almost dead and givin to me so to recover it would be cool

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Post  BONSAI_OUTLAW on Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:14 am

I see several nice little trees there, but I wouldn't do anything at all except keep feeding and watering it. I say this and I may be wrong because of where you are, but I see no candles. Mine are covered in huge candles right now. I have been taught not to work on JBP if they are not healthy.



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Post  stavros on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:21 am

I live in a warm country (Cyprus) and my JB Pines grew their candles in mid-late March. They have new needles as we speak.

In any case, i agree that the tree should be left to grow for at least a year, watered/fertilised with care in order to regain its health since it was almost dead when it found its way to you. Styling should only be done only on healthy, vigorous trees.

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Post  Arno on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:53 am

Thanks guys

Believe it or not most of these needles are new, Like Stavros said this is warm country. I have no delusions of styling yet, But I know BP take time and patience, so I just started this thread to get some ideas so I dont make any mistakes. yes feeding, and I thought about putting it in a bigger pot not deeper just bigger Very Happy Plus I have another nicer BP and just wanna go right with them. I cant afford the big nice specimens, and Im fairly young, so I figure maybe when I retire in 20 years Ill have a nice pine to play with LOL! Razz Very Happy

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BTW Stavros, (or anybody) do Black pines handle collection from the ground? There are quit a few people with old Black pines in there yards (large amount of 3rd and fourth generation japanese here) and I might hunt some urban yamadori

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Post  stavros on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:26 am

Arno wrote:Thanks guys

Believe it or not most of these needles are new, Like Stavros said this is warm country. I have no delusions of styling yet, But I know BP take time and patience, so I just started this thread to get some ideas so I dont make any mistakes. yes feeding, and I thought about putting it in a bigger pot not deeper just bigger Very Happy Plus I have another nicer BP and just wanna go right with them. I cant afford the big nice specimens, and Im fairly young, so I figure maybe when I retire in 20 years Ill have a nice pine to play with LOL! Razz Very Happy

Arno

BTW Stavros, (or anybody) do Black pines handle collection from the ground? There are quit a few people with old Black pines in there yards (large amount of 3rd and fourth generation japanese here) and I might hunt some urban yamadori

i do not have any experience with collecting the specific kind, but from other species that i collect , i can safely say that if you do it at the right time (each geographic area has different microclimate), taking a good rootball and planting it in a very open inorganic mix, there should be no problem. In Cyprus for example, the winters are very mild(frost is a very rare thing), so we start after the first rain in autumnt to collect and we stop when the weather gets warmer than 25C (March).
In case you want to play safe, you can collect in 2 stages...

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Post  Bob Pressler on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:18 pm

The best way to increase the size is to plant it in the ground or a large grow box. Its still young and should bud back from the trunk and branches. Even two or three years would make a big difference.
Older garden pines can be collected if done carefully and at the right time. For you I would say Jan. or Feb. at the latest.I've moved one's that were 35+years and 12-15 feet tall.

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Post  RKatzin on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:45 pm

Why that's a lovely tree,not bad at all. I wouldn't call it leggy, airy maybe, just needs to fill in some. this is a leggy JBP. Typical tree grown for landscaping. I chopped the trunk at the lowest live limbs last Feb. and planted the tree in my garden to grow out. This spring there's a profusion of new candles. I haven't chosen a design yet, wasn't sure it would survive the chop, but she looks like a keeper. I'm going to grow and pinch for a couple of years till the trunk grows into the graft in the second pic. Yours is way ahead of mine as far as development, a real nice tree, lots of potential.

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Post  stavros on Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:34 pm

the only thing about using a big pot or growing box, is that you must be careful not to over-pot it, because that may cause problems....
you may have a look at this very interesting article:

http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/overpot.htm

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