Forest Scots Pine
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Forest Scots Pine
I collected this pine from a commercial forest about 4 years ago. The reason for collecting was the quality of the bark for a small pine. It was reduced to 1 branch, potted and left for 2 years. This tree was then styled but I wasn't happy with it, so I removed the wire and jinned the bottom branch. It was then left alone, with the exception of pruning.
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Will, thanks for sharing the progression of your work. One day, I'll be able to do this. The bark on this pine is beautiful; very old looking. The jinned branch has a lot of character. Salut, Todd
Todd Ellis- Member
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Thanks Todd. I think jins are a lot more convincing, if they are styled as a branch before they are stripped of the bark. One of the reasons for posting this tree was the fact that it came from planted forest. Permission can be easily gained for little trees like this as they are not suitable for the timber trade.
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No, the one in my avatar is from the Highlands in Scotland. Beautiful, twisty,Caledonean Pines. The only native Pine in the UK.
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Forest Scots Pine
As this Pine developes and ramifies, the idea is to create more deadwood and break up the silhouette into clouds. It was too dark for a decent pic last night. Will post a better one later.
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Nice progression I agree with the idea of wiring a branch b4 jinning it . It works better with the overall compisition and flows right along with the rest of the branches and does not feel artificial. What I mean about the artificial is the tree grew one way and then was styled another and the jins look like a after thought or are going in a diffrent direction as the tree creating a unbalanced look. Vs looking like the tree has been growing this way through out it's life and during the struggle to survive it has had a few casualtys along the way but keeps going.
Seth Ellwood- Member
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Hiya Will,
What a difference a bit of light makes! The last image you posted looks great.
You mentioned earlier in this thread that you wanted it to look like a Pine in the wild. I think you've got it spot on.
I walk past literally 100's of Pines on a weekly basis - woodland and lone pines. Many of the lone Pines have similar characterisitics to yours and many on the edges of woodlands also display these characterisitics.
The features I am thinking of are the mostly bare half of the trunk and the upward growth of the branches. These features to me are a 'true' Scots Pine, certainly where I live.
Really nicely done! I send you a virtual large dram of Aberlour (as I am currently enjoying !) for creating this image.
Is all the work you've done to this recent? How long between removing old needles, reducing junctions to 2 branches, removing buds and wiring?
Slainte Mhath !
Paul
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This isn't one of the "quick fix" pines we see so often these days. Scrunched, spiralled and pulled in to create an instant image. If I get a chance in the next couple of days I will sketch an idea of what I hope it will look like. All the work was carried out in one day. The end of July/ begining of August is the optimum time for working and pruning Pines, as long as they have been fed well throughout the year. In August Scots Pine put on a lot of weight. Pruning induces good budding at this time and any damage will heal quickly. The virtual malt went down a treat. Abalour has a soft peaty character. Cheers.
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don't know pines, Will, but recognize good work when I see it.
kauaibonsai- Member
Forest Scots Pine
Smithy. This tree started life as a large cutting. 3 years in the ground and 4 in a pot. When I originally posted this tree (first Autumn Colour) everyone said what a good tree pot combination it was. Fashion Eh!!! That pot is soooooo 2009!!!!
Sorry this was posted on the wrong thread. Cant delete it for some reason?
Sorry this was posted on the wrong thread. Cant delete it for some reason?
Last edited by will baddeley on Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:36 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Thanks Will for another great post.
I have a few questions,
You are suggesting, better you are doing , to eliminate all new buds in august to get a back budding. Do you use this thecnic all years in scot pine ? Do you use it in all pines or only in pines in refined state?
My experience with this pines it is very short put my pines are quite strong and with a lot of energy. So I suposse I could try to work as you are doing in your pine.
thanks in advance.
I have a few questions,
You are suggesting, better you are doing , to eliminate all new buds in august to get a back budding. Do you use this thecnic all years in scot pine ? Do you use it in all pines or only in pines in refined state?
My experience with this pines it is very short put my pines are quite strong and with a lot of energy. So I suposse I could try to work as you are doing in your pine.
thanks in advance.
Al-bonsaispirit- Member
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Hello Al. The technique of removing the buds/ shoots on this years growth, in August, will promote back budding and ramification. Some buds will apear lower down the branches but the majority will grow around the cut needled area. This is not for refinement, where new candles are cut or pinched when still soft and has a more subtle effect on budding. I only have Scots pines, so I cannot say how this systen will work on other Pines. Two needle pines are probably treated in the same way though.
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will baddeley wrote:This isn't one of the "quick fix" pines we see so often these days. Scrunched, spiralled and pulled in to create an instant image.
Good work and I like the long term work perspective too! I like the natural feeling of the jin too. I make jins in a slightly different process, but with the same result. I strip fresh branches for bark and leaves, and then I wire them immediately still being soft. I style them as if they are still live branches and thereafter I let them dry out naturally. this takes a few months or so, and they are afterwards looking very natural. Then the wire is removed by cutting it off like on living branches.
If you also turn and twist them while still being fresh and soft, cracks and broken tissue will add even more age when the fresh jinned branches dry out.
Regards
Morten Albek
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Thankyou Morton. It is always tempting to go for a more "finished" image and I had to slap myself on the wrist several times with this one. I too twist the branches for added effect but wiring and shaping, treating the jin as a more long term project works very well.
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Love the tree Will, fab drawing too
Look forward to seeing this tree on show in the future
All the best
Andy
Look forward to seeing this tree on show in the future
All the best
Andy
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