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Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  lnvinh on Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:00 pm

This tree is Semi-Cascade style before, because top of tree too hight so I have arched to Windswept style.
Tree after arched:



After 3 weeks and use sand to cover the roots for hide root mistake.


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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  GerhardGerber on Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:29 pm

Hi

I really like your tree, but one thing immediately bothered me - the old stub at the bottom of the right branch.

Lets hope the pic works:

https://i28.servimg.com/u/f28/16/18/91/61/samgio10.jpg


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Post  Guest on Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:55 pm

Hi Invinh.

Why is the direction of the wind/branch is in the left side?, just curious. I can see based on the picture that the main branches and trunk goes to the right side.

regards,
jun Smile

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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  Guest on Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:01 pm

Hi Invinh

I like your re styling job, I agree that the little nub on the right side should be cut flush with the trunk as GerhardGerber recomends. Also you might consider taking the two right hand side branches that would be facing furthest out into your imaginary wind and jinning, (yes jinning, with wood hardener and maybe a bit of stain mixed in) them. This would present the appearance of a tree that has been growing into the prevailing wind direction for a long time and actually lost the forward facing branches in the battle to overcome the wind, It would possibly make for a more natural and older looking tree. Im not sure if your acedum would take well to dead wood but another option would be to take pliers and snap the end off those branches in an attempt to make a more natural looking stub end, again accomplishing the same goal of making those two forward (right hand) facing branches look like they lost the battle. Excellent wiring job by the way!

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Post  GerhardGerber on Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:11 pm

Hi Jun

I wish I had a link, but there was a recent discussion on a forum (here, BNut or Ausbonsai) regarding the trunk of a windswept tree growing against the wind.
There were many reasons for this which I can't remember Laughing , but more importantly a few examples of exactly this happening in nature.

Like I said, wish I could remember where I saw this.

Cheers
Gerhard

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Post  Guest on Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:10 pm

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

I wish I had a link, but there was a recent discussion on a forum (here, BNut or Ausbonsai) regarding the trunk of a windswept tree growing against the wind.
There were many reasons for this which I can't remember Laughing , but more importantly a few examples of exactly this happening in nature.

Like I said, wish I could remember where I saw this.

Cheers
Gerhard

Hi Gerhard.

I think that topic was here. but the main branch and trunk got a different movement from that of Invinh's tree. Anyway its just a matter of design preference, it could go either way. My thought only is that a tree styled with such contradicting trunk and branch movement would look younger and the appearance is like a running horse against the wind, when the horse stops the form would also return to its original form.. . in any moment when the wind stops the branches will also return to its un-windswept design, therefore the design got a less permanence emotion for a windswept...again it's just a personal preference.

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  GerhardGerber on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:24 am

Hi Jun

I think Invinh did a better job styling this tree than I am able to do at this stage.

I'm here to learn.

I don't understand what you mean, but I would appreciate it if you'd take the time to explain. Very Happy

Thanks
Gerhard

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Post  Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:03 am

Hi Gerhard.

There is nothing wrong with Invinh's design. like I said it can go either way- wind direction coming from the left or coming from the right.

mine is just a personal preference it were my tree, and I would style it as the imaginary wind is coming from the left side.
This is not to hijack Invinh's thread but a way of explanation to Gerhard...



If a tree in nature leans on one side due to wind that torments it in its entire life, most likely all the branches including main branches and probably the trunk itself will follow the same wind direction (like the tree above). but if it was a temporary wind that blows hard like that of a typhoon, probably you could catch a glimpse of a tree that has the smaller branches blowing in a different direction from its trunk and main branches...then after the wind stops blowing all will likely return to its original position. This is what I'm explaining about a less permanence in design perception...it may express a "temporary" wind swept design.

Again it is just my personal thought on the matter.

regards,
jun
Smile

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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  GerhardGerber on Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:43 pm

Hi Jun

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I now understand your horse analogy. thumbs up

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Gerhard

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Post  Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:25 pm

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I now understand your horse analogy. thumbs up

Cheers
Gerhard


Laughing well, It's not an analogy! It will really looks like a running horse if designed with contradicting direction, body and head movement moving front, horse mane moving towards the back. Smile

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:52 pm

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

I wish I had a link, but there was a recent discussion on a forum (here, BNut or Ausbonsai) regarding the trunk of a windswept tree growing against the wind.
There were many reasons for this which I can't remember Laughing , but more importantly a few examples of exactly this happening in nature.

Like I said, wish I could remember where I saw this.

Cheers
Gerhard

Was it this one. http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t5206-chinese-influence-on-forestry-commission-larch?highlight=Chinese+influence

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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  lnvinh on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:29 pm

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi

I really like your tree, but one thing immediately bothered me - the old stub at the bottom of the right branch.

Lets hope the pic works:

https://i28.servimg.com/u/f28/16/18/91/61/samgio10.jpg


I also agree with you. Because the pit has been a long, temporarily not working, then this will do as you have suggested

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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  lnvinh on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:42 pm

jun wrote:Hi Invinh.

Why is the direction of the wind/branch is in the left side?, just curious. I can see based on the picture that the main branches and trunk goes to the right side.

regards,
jun Smile

I do not follow the right, simply because I like the left Smile. In my opinion, to the left, the tree will look more powerful to combat with nature and feel in more gusty.

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Post  lnvinh on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:05 pm

Guest wrote:Hi Invinh

I like your re styling job, I agree that the little nub on the right side should be cut flush with the trunk as GerhardGerber recomends. Also you might consider taking the two right hand side branches that would be facing furthest out into your imaginary wind and jinning, (yes jinning, with wood hardener and maybe a bit of stain mixed in) them. This would present the appearance of a tree that has been growing into the prevailing wind direction for a long time and actually lost the forward facing branches in the battle to overcome the wind, It would possibly make for a more natural and older looking tree. Im not sure if your acedum would take well to dead wood but another option would be to take pliers and snap the end off those branches in an attempt to make a more natural looking stub end, again accomplishing the same goal of making those two forward (right hand) facing branches look like they lost the battle. Excellent wiring job by the way!

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

I wish I had a link, but there was a recent discussion on a forum (here, BNut or Ausbonsai) regarding the trunk of a windswept tree growing against the wind.
There were many reasons for this which I can't remember Laughing , but more importantly a few examples of exactly this happening in nature.

Like I said, wish I could remember where I saw this.

Cheers
Gerhard

jun wrote:
GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

I wish I had a link, but there was a recent discussion on a forum (here, BNut or Ausbonsai) regarding the trunk of a windswept tree growing against the wind.
There were many reasons for this which I can't remember Laughing , but more importantly a few examples of exactly this happening in nature.

Like I said, wish I could remember where I saw this.

Cheers
Gerhard

Hi Gerhard.

I think that topic was here. but the main branch and trunk got a different movement from that of Invinh's tree. Anyway its just a matter of design preference, it could go either way. My thought only is that a tree styled with such contradicting trunk and branch movement would look younger and the appearance is like a running horse against the wind, when the horse stops the form would also return to its original form.. . in any moment when the wind stops the branches will also return to its un-windswept design, therefore the design got a less permanence emotion for a windswept...again it's just a personal preference.

regards,
jun Smile

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

I think Invinh did a better job styling this tree than I am able to do at this stage.

I'm here to learn.

I don't understand what you mean, but I would appreciate it if you'd take the time to explain. Very Happy

Thanks
Gerhard

jun wrote:Hi Gerhard.

There is nothing wrong with Invinh's design. like I said it can go either way- wind direction coming from the left or coming from the right.

mine is just a personal preference it were my tree, and I would style it as the imaginary wind is coming from the left side.
This is not to hijack Invinh's thread but a way of explanation to Gerhard...



If a tree in nature leans on one side due to wind that torments it in its entire life, most likely all the branches including main branches and probably the trunk itself will follow the same wind direction (like the tree above). but if it was a temporary wind that blows hard like that of a typhoon, probably you could catch a glimpse of a tree that has the smaller branches blowing in a different direction from its trunk and main branches...then after the wind stops blowing all will likely return to its original position. This is what I'm explaining about a less permanence in design perception...it may express a "temporary" wind swept design.

Again it is just my personal thought on the matter.

regards,
jun
Smile

will baddeley wrote:
GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

I wish I had a link, but there was a recent discussion on a forum (here, BNut or Ausbonsai) regarding the trunk of a windswept tree growing against the wind.
There were many reasons for this which I can't remember Laughing , but more importantly a few examples of exactly this happening in nature.

Like I said, wish I could remember where I saw this.

Cheers
Gerhard

Was it this one. http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t5206-chinese-influence-on-forestry-commission-larch?highlight=Chinese+influence


Thank all the enthusiastic comments of you. I have been seeing many plants follow many different types of Windswept, the wind is blowing in the sea, from mountain or mountain Top, gentle breeze,high winds. Generally, how to look for the most beautiful natural

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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  Guest on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:16 am

That is right Invinh wind swept style can have several variations and none will be wrongly styled if adopted, I personally prefer the rule of nature rather than the "rule in bonsai".

regards,
jun

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Re: Antidesma acidum Windswept

Post  lnvinh on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:23 am

jun wrote:That is right Invinh wind swept style can have several variations and none will be wrongly styled if adopted, I personally prefer the rule of nature rather than the "rule in bonsai".

regards,
jun

Smile

Absolutely correct, that's what I mean.

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