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Ginkgo species help??

Post  mojojava on Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:56 pm

First off been around bonsai for around 10 yrs now so pretty clear on most of the basics. Very new to this great forum however. Tend to gain interest in species then try to learn everything I can about it before trying my hand. I recently made a scouting trip to the local nursery and found what I find as two very nice ginkgo materials. One is a typical ginkgo biloba, fairly straight trunk with the most gentle movement. Will most likely be styled as candle. The other and more of the focus of this question is a dwarf variety "mariken". Has plenty of branching and potential for nice subtle movement as scrubby informal upright shohin size. Will post pics of both as soon as I can. Would appreciate any tips or advice on either species especially as it comes to pruning and shaping. During my research have learned that ginkgos resent much chopping or wire and can be easily damaged. Looking forward to working on the little mariken ginkgo but would love some input. Thanks!
Blake

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Post  John Quinn on Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:21 am

I am not familiar with the 'mariken' variety. Ginkgo, in my experience, doesn't mind being cut back as it buds prolifically from the trunk/base. It does not heal scars well, however, so large wounds will likely not grow over. They are robust and pretty much pest and disease free.

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Post  Russell Coker on Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:42 am

Hey Blake.

Technically, 'mariken' is the name of a "sport" mutation of Ginkgo, a variety and not a species. There is only one species - biloba.

Ok, past the taxonomy, I've only seen them grafted high like a standard (tree-form) rose. It is a good dwarf selection, and I'm sure it grows well on its own roots. If it is not grafted, or not grafted high, I'd grab it FAST. (Do they have 2?)

As far as the rest goes, ditto what John said.

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thanks

Post  mojojava on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:47 am

thanks for the info all...couple questions,

As far as the resistance to healing over...does that go for large wounds to the trunk and/or even cutting back overly thick branches for ramification??

Also any thoughts on backbudding habits of ginkgo as well as any experience with soil compositions.

Am going to try to get some pictures of the two trees on here sometime before the weekend, then i may pick your brains further on styling.


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Post  Russell Coker on Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:14 pm

Regular branch pruning/reduction isn't the problem. The trick is to start with a small ginkgo and grow it to the size you want. You can't treat them like an elm or maple, starting with something big and giving it the "chop" doesn't work well.

Back budding isn't a problem and they aren't picky about soil.

If you type "ginkgo" into the search bar it will pull up several threads, the first being this one. You may find some info there.

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Pics of mentioned ginkgos...finally.

Post  mojojava on Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:52 am

So here are the pics of the new ginkgo. First one is the typical biloba, with plans for a candle-ish shape/design. The second one is the "mariken", which i am very open to suggestions on. Currently it is a scrubby little thing but not lacking potential. By the way, I've had people ask about rubberbands on my trees before, so i'll clear that one up. I find with soft or easily damaged bark, rubberbands are a cheap and easy way to do some very crude basic shaping of obviously misdirected limbs/branches, while a real design comes to mind. I have never had any damage or ill effects from using them for a short period.

Comments and/or direction very welcome!




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any suggestions for the "mariken"???

Post  mojojava on Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:56 am

not too sure what i'm thinkin on the second ginkgo...any thoughts??

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Re: Ginkgo species help??

Post  Todd Ellis on Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:17 pm

Hi Mojojava, Your second ginkgo grabbed my attention because of the movement in the trunk. There is a lot more interest with the curves and the branches. I think your design should definately be "informal upright".
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Post  Russell Coker on Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:53 pm

mojojava wrote:not too sure what i'm thinkin on the second ginkgo...any thoughts??

thanks


I'm not sure either. My temptation would be to straighten the trunk. I've never seen a ginkgo bonsai that wasn't more or less straight. I guess slight movement in the trunk could be called "informal upright", and I have seen broom-ish trees too. They seem to have their own "look" as mature trees in Japan just as they do as a bonsai, and I'm not sure there is a good reason to go against that tradition. Of course you can always experiment, no harm in that.

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right on..

Post  mojojava on Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:43 am

Thanks for the input so far...I am a big fan of twisted, gnarly, unconventional trees. I have another ginkgo that i'm keeping straight. With this one after staring at it over the last few days, am leaning toward a very unconventional informal upright, or some kind of leaning informal broom design (broom=very loose description), where most of the branching is protruding upward from one side with the apex rounding the highest point of the tree, still being the original top. Will try to sketch something up here but if anyone else is bored and good at drawing, any help appreciated. I am really fond of the uniqueness of this particular tree and would love to incorporate an equally gracefully rugged design.

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Post  Gary Swiech on Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:44 pm

Mariken ginkgo is a dwarf that gets 2'high and 3'wide.

I have Witches broom or WS Gingko. A dwarf.
Nice small leaves but very slow growth.

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Post  Rui Marques on Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:31 pm

Gary Swiech wrote:Mariken ginkgo is a dwarf that gets 2'high and 3'wide.

I have Witches broom or WS Gingko. A dwarf.
Nice small leaves but very slow growth.

Hi Gary,

Could you show us some of your gingko?

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Post  Gary Swiech on Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:28 pm

Sure, but first I have a few images of a Chi-Chi and Mariken Ginkgo in a nursery.

Chi-Chi:

Mariken:

Mariken looks like a real dwarf. If you do have a Mariken, you have an old one.

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Post  Gary Swiech on Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:38 pm

Autumn Gold from 1 yr. graft, Monrovia Nursery plant started 1976



Chi-Chi- From one year grafts, Brussel's Bonsai 1989, I think.



The AG image is from last fall, 2011
The Chi-Chi image is from Fall 2010.

I'll take some Spring pictures but the new growth has just been pruned.

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Post  Gary Swiech on Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:11 pm

Ginkgo doesn't have to be straight, formal upright.

I saw one in Bayeux, France about 5 yrs ago that was slanting style, probably planted at the same time they planted the huge London plane tree that was dated in the 1700's.

It had Chi-Chi- all over it the bottom branches.

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Re: Ginkgo species help??

Post  Todd Ellis on Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:49 am

I posted earlier about "go for the informal upright..." This Spring I have been on a mission to view as many Ginkgo bonsai as I can. I have seen some pictures of penjing ginkgos with curves in the trunks and I think they make nice trees. That said, the old ginkgo bonsai, the nicest ones anyway, seem to utilize the "flame" in their design. I started a tree with horizontal right,left, back branch, etc. and was not pleased. I then wired the branches upward to mimmick the curves in the trunk; the tree is much nicer. All of the new growth grows upwards anyway... The Mariken is a cute tree!
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