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Post  fM on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:04 pm

i really like it! its a great tree! the litle great details make a beautyfull tree!, saludos!..

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Post  Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:48 am

FM,

muchas gracias amigo!

regards,
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Post  Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:55 am

Hello Jun. I have to say this tree looks much more dramatic from this side. Absolutely stunning by the way. Very Happy

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Post  Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:00 am

Rob,

Thanks!

I'll reconsider my option and study it further.


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Russell,

thanks!
I was thinking, it will be give more emotion as a windswept. I'll study it further.

regards,
jun


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Post  Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:02 am

Will,

thank you!

I am glad you like it. I made the first angle as front, because it was more developed....for the recent show.

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Post  Guest on Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:52 pm

Hi IBC.

I would like to share the update on this tree and the slab I made for the tree...






regards,
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Post  my nellie on Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:02 pm

I like them both!
Jun, the tree doesn't need a little "haicut"?

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Post  Guest on Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:08 pm

Hi Alexandra.

Thanks! This is the rainy season here. The time where trees grows rapidly. trimming them at this time of the year wouldn't help specially if you are developing lots of branches. "Finished" trees can be trimmed but not the trees under development,,,that is if you want a faster result.

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Post  Sam Ogranaja on Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:50 pm

jun wrote:Hi Alexandra.

Thanks! This is the rainy season here. The time where trees grows rapidly. trimming them at this time of the year wouldn't help specially if you are developing lots of branches. "Finished" trees can be trimmed but not the trees under development,,,that is if you want a faster result.

regards,
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Hey Jun, Great tree. My question is, what's the feeling you're trying to portray? Why did the top die? Was it a lightning strike or constant wind? To me, this tree looks like it lends itself well to a windswept design because of all the deadwood on the right. But if it died from a lightning strike or some weird force of nature and there is no constant wind beating it, then the way you have it now is perfect. In this case it would make sense (horticulturally speaking) that your top branches would grow up and to the right. I like this front better than the other side. The trunk has so much character.

You have some amazing trees!!!!! Keep up the great work!!!
Have a great weekend!!!
Sam

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Post  Andrei Darusenkov on Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:37 pm

Jun,

I also like this new front more than the first one. Bonsai is a unique art form indeed, it takes time for the beautiy of the tree to evolve. Finding a new front sometimes after years of work and thinking is so exciting. Excellent tree and great work! Keep it up! Very stimulating!

Cheers, Andrei

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Post  Hans van Meer. on Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:47 pm

jun wrote:Hi IBC.

I would like to share the update on this tree and the slab I made for the tree...






regards,
jun Smile


Hi Jun,
what a amazing tree and beautiful composition you have created for use! I was pleasantly surprised when I saw how big the tree actually was....... or maybe you are realy small?! Wink Very Happy I prefer this side above the other one, this side is more dramatic and the deadwood is just great! I enhanced your picture so that the trunk can be seen more clearer. I hope that you dont mind, but I fotoshoped that large straight jin a bit. I feel that this jin is disturbing the rhythm and movement of the tree. It is the only thing pointing straight in to the wrong direction. And it is closing the space underneed your right bottembranch. Just a idea.



I realy like your spectacular Bonsai! Well don!
Cheers,
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Post  Andrei Darusenkov on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:25 am

Hans van Meer. wrote:


Hi Jun,
what a amazing tree and beautiful composition you have created for use! I was pleasantly surprised when I saw how big the tree actually was....... or maybe you are realy small?! Wink Very Happy I prefer this side above the other one, this side is more dramatic and the deadwood is just great! I enhanced your picture so that the trunk can be seen more clearer. I hope that you dont mind, but I fotoshoped that large straight jin a bit. I feel that this jin is disturbing the rhythm and movement of the tree. It is the only thing pointing straight in to the wrong direction. And it is closing the space underneed your right bottembranch. Just a idea.



I realy like your spectacular Bonsai! Well don!
Cheers,
Hans van Meer.[/quote]

Hans, couldn't agree more! Excellent idea and photoshop work!

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:33 pm

Thanks Guys!

Very nice suggestion Hans. I will think about it. Thanks for giving your input. I am a fan of your works! So, if you like the tree I feel honored.

Andrei,
Yes you are right, Most of the time (in my case) the front and angle I selected from the raw material and its initial planting and styling does not come out as the final viewing angle. Just like the normal tree, even at your hands the tree evolves and looks may change in the duration of its development. and sometimes it took years for the tree to show its true character to the designer.


Sam,

You are digging deep into the archive of IBC...hehehe! looking for something? flutter eyelashes but thanks for reviving this thread again.
The emotion portrayed of any art form is I think the best measurement if the artist succeeded or failed in his work. and it is up to the viewer to know what emotion the art conveys to him/her, it may be different from the artist own interpretation.


probably this would help a bit....

This is the most recent picture of the tree two months ago





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jun Smile



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Post  coh on Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:38 pm

That is a beautiful tree! Great work.

I do agree with Hans on that deadwood. I like his virt, but you might be able to get away with just carving it a little more. Right now it looks a little too much like a phallic symbol to me!

The other possibility I was thinking about was bringing the foliage mass over further and in front of the deadwood to make it less obvious. I tried photoshopping something but don't think I like it, as it changes the overall feel of the tree.

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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:10 am

Thanks Chris.

After I posted the latest picture. I tend to analyze it against Hans virt.

and in order for me to avoid any biased opinion, I tried to pretend I do not own the tree...

...Hans virt is crisp and clean approach to tree, but the tree in this form tends to move more towards the windswept design direction, Losing balance (too left heavy) and one way of regaining balance is creating more foliage pad and branch to the right side. Keeping the long shari on the right Imho serves as a counter weight to the heavy left side.
Just my opinion, it could go either way.

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jun Smile

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Post  coh on Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:50 am

Well, you can always remove it later - but you can't put it back! Well, I guess you could...maybe a solution would be to reduce it less than Hans did, but still reduce it? It's a tough call and even tougher when all we have is a photo.

To me, as long as there's some of the deadwood (like in the virt) it provides a degree of balance. What I see in the virt is a tree that was at one time much larger and fuller, but something happened to the main part of the trunk (lightning, disease, whatever), leaving the left side which is now filling in - not so much windswept in appearance to me.

In any case, I love it!

Chris

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Post  Bob Pressler on Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:56 pm

Nice composition.
No wonder you made a light weight slab- it looks like it'll still take 4 people to move.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:47 pm

I think Hans is on to something. I'd also consider an inserted jin on the bottom to add more taper and nebari to the lower right to add to the image.


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Post  Robert Steven on Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:34 am

Perfectly done. I have downloaded the final picture for my coming new book..with or without your permission, Jun...hehe... Dance

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:57 am

Robert Steven wrote:Perfectly done. I have downloaded the final picture for my coming new book..with or without your permission, Jun...hehe... Dance

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Darn!!!

this is my number 1000 post. I am reserving it for a good one, probably some nice trees...but nothing could be better other than saying-----THANK YOU!!


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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:26 am

Hans and Rob,

Thanks guys.
many minds (specially great ones like yours) working together can deliver the best possible solutions.
I love that last image Rob, Is it okey to make or attached additional jin on the lower part?

regards,
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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:31 am

Bob Pressler wrote:Nice composition.
No wonder you made a light weight slab- it looks like it'll still take 4 people to move.

Thanks Bob!

The slab weighs 3.75 kilograms. the bulk of the weight is on the tree itself and the soil medium (for the trees health). but the whole thing can be lifted by 2 people...though, not too easily to be honest.


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jun Smile





Coh,

thanks!

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Post  Hans van Meer. on Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:51 am

jun wrote:
Robert Steven wrote:Perfectly done. I have downloaded the final picture for my coming new book..with or without your permission, Jun...hehe... Dance

thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

Darn!!!

this is my number 1000 post. I am reserving it for a good one, probably some nice trees...but nothing could be better other than saying-----THANK YOU!!


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Hi Jun,
congratulations my friend! I told you it was a amazing Bonsai! And now it is going to be immortalised in Robert's book, what more can a Bonsai talent like you want! You and your tree deserve it!
And I fully understand how happy you are about this great news!
Cheers,
Hans van Meer.

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Re: Desmodium sp./ blue bell on slab

Post  Robert Steven on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:06 pm

Hans, it is indeed a very nice design. I am now working on 2 new books, one is "The Five Schools of Chinese Penjing"..Rob Kempinski will be my editor...



...and Jun's will be in this one :



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Post  Rob Kempinski on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:15 pm

jun wrote:Hans and Rob,
I love that last image Rob, Is it okey to make or attached additional jin on the lower part?

regards,
jun Smile

If done carefully - I say yes.
I've used the technique several times. Check out the photo of my podocarpus in my book (don't have access to my photo library while away.

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