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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:46 am

Hi There I'm Jun!

...and this is My Murraya Hill forest that gets an upgrade.











one more big tree is needed to complete the upper portion of the hill (where my hand is)...

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Post  GerhardGerber on Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:03 am

Hi Jun

You are a great bonsai artist and few levels above what I likely to reach in my lifetime.

I cannot tell you why, but I know my eye likes the original composition more.

Is the new tree the same species as the ones growing on the hill?

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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:12 am

Gerhard,
Thanks!
Yes, this is of the same specie, the new clump tree has lime sulfur applied to is trunk that change it to lighter color, the leaves are older also, this is the reason for having different appearance. but I will defoliate the tree after I placed the additional big main tree and applied lime sulfur to all trees too.

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Post  Russell Coker on Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:40 am

GerhardGerber wrote:Hi Jun

You are a great bonsai artist and few levels above what I likely to reach in my lifetime.

I cannot tell you why, but I know my eye likes the original composition more.

Is the new tree the same species as the ones growing on the hill?

Regards,
Gerhard


Jun, I agree with Gerhard 100%. I'd put that new tree back in a pot and look for more that have the character of your forest trees. It just looks wrong, I hope you'll reconsider.

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Post  Mohan on Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:11 am

Even a seasoned bonsai artist like you will err at least once! The size, age and style of the add-on tree are NOT in sync with rest of the forest, i am afraid. Suggest you rethink on the choice of the tree. Sad

The forest does look perfect without it. My two cents. cheers

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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:21 am

Mohan and Russell,

Thanks! We'll see where it goes when I got the big tree.

It will always be easy to replace the added tree, but trying it out will always be helpful.
...this is a work in progress anyway, and always open for suggestion. Thanks again!

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Post  Jay Gaydosh on Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:44 am

I certainly understand the concern fo continuity in the picture. However, I would also add that to see a forest setting where a larger, more established tree in the forest could be found sitting lower in a ravine can be found in nature. The picture it promotes is where the older tree would have had better access to water, accumulations of collected organic matter making better soil, protection from the wind, etc. I think over time it could work nicely.

Either way, the original forest and the added tree are both amazing.

Murraya, as in paniculatta? Or a diferent species?

I have one Murraya p. and my great grandchidren will be old and gray before it reaches the size of either of any of these trees.

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Post  luciano benyakob on Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:02 am

Fantastic and inspirative.
Shabat Shalom , Luciano.

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Post  Gentleman G. on Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:39 pm

What's up Jun??? I really like this particular planting, I've liked it since I saw it on it's other post. However, I think I'd have to agree that the "clump" at the bottom does look out of place. Not only due to the color, but also because it's a group and the rest of the trees are individuals. I agree that the group would look superb in a pot of its own. Either way it's fantastic, and it's your decision to make. I look forward to seeing the continuing evolution of this planting... Keep the inspiration coming, Jun!!! Great work!


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Post  Harleyrider on Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:10 pm

For what it's worth, my first thought on seeing the new composition was "That's wrong." Having taken a few minutes to view the composition I'm afraid I haven't changed my mind. The new clump is too powerful and overwhelms the image as a whole. Perhaps if the rerst of the planting was more dense this would change?

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Post  moyogijohn on Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:19 pm

JUN,,,DON,T be upset the forest in the first picture looks great !! When you add the clump it looks too tight to me...i would put it in it,s own pot and i think i said befor do something with the leaning tree on the right...only my opion and you know i don,t know much!!! work your magic friend post again please take care john

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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:51 pm

Thank you Guys for the kind words!
I'll look again and consider your opinions.

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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:16 pm

Hi jay!

It is not Paniculata. It is a different sub specie (I think). I haven't found which one. Probably if Jose Luis can see it he would be able to identify it. We tagged it here as Murraya sp. but even Budi doubted it to be a Murraya specie.

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Post  PkWk on Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:25 am

Harleyrider wrote:For what it's worth, my first thought on seeing the new composition was "That's wrong." Having taken a few minutes to view the composition I'm afraid I haven't changed my mind. The new clump is too powerful and overwhelms the image as a whole. Perhaps if the rerst of the planting was more dense this would change?

I agree with the above points of view. In my opinion if the original lowest group of trees exchange position with the second level group and with the smallest tree facing outwards, it could look more balancing.

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Post  Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:28 am

I made drastic revision....












FRONT...placed the semi cascade to make the too vertical trees on the left to become just a backgrounnd



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Post  Harleyrider on Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:05 am

Hi Jun. This is better, but now I find that the formal, straight trunks of the left clump clash with the bent and 'random' trunks of the center and right hand groups. Sorry :0(

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Post  ogie on Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:24 am

Sorry Jun it seems too confusing for me Question ,sometimes simplicity has it's own purpose,but thats my opinion,thanks for sharing
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Post  Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:54 am

Harleyrider and Alex,

thanks for the honest opinion...but I wanted to have something different with this one, more on contrast and randomness, like what we find in nature. Got few normal forest already Evil or Very Mad with straight trunks and well arranged branches, small trees at the back and big daddy at the front, all trees going at the same direction...and when I look at them something seems to be too arrange and perfectly formed, probably just got bored with too much simplicity. I wanted something more natural.

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Post  Oliver Muscio on Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:12 pm

Well, for what it's worth (not much), I really like this last version. For me, the large middle tree provides a nice transition from the clump on the right to the straight trees on the right, and the cascade gives great three-dimensional depth.
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Post  snobird on Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:30 pm

Jun, I think the shape of the rock work needs more addition to balance everything and tell a story because something about this planting appeals to me from the angle on the last photo.
If you close the space below the furthest tree on the left with more soil/rock to eliminate it and extend the base of the rock in the last picture it will balance the big heavy branch on the clump in front (light against dark). If you add a rock in front of the tall main tree to make it look as if its growing on a precipice with a steep rock face it will separate the two main elements a little. Maybe you can extend this wall of rock right around the upper group. Maybe also the smaller tree between the two main elements is unnecessary? The only other thing is to put the whole assembly in a huge pot so you can play around with positive and negative spaces outside of the forest element.

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Can't stop playing around with my forest

Post  Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:10 am







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Post  moyogijohn on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:57 am

Well JUN,,,,The forest is getting better to me..the tree planting looks good the way you have them now...what is in the front???is it the tree that is leaning?? you have moved them so much they don,t know where to go!!!! ha ha... take care john

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Post  Budi Sulistyo on Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:55 am

Hi Jun,

The forest is very good. Anyhow, I just thought that the first group on top are of younger trees and of a different character compared to the two groups on the lower parts. If you have thicker ones with older bark like the two groups, it will be perfect.

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Post  Jesse on Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:29 pm

I am a fan of a your trees and work Jun. Very impressive. I absolutely love this last arrangement you have setup. It feels very natural and pleasing to the eye. It takes me to a hike in the woods and I love it.

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Post  Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:03 pm

John,

Thanks!

I imagined the tree on the front as a tree that fell on the side of a ravine... I think I will coin the name of this style a..."semi cascade" bonsai hehehe.

here is the close up for you.



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