Internet Bonsai Club
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Pine Identification

+5
my nellie
handy mick
Billy M. Rhodes
Bob Pressler
alex e
9 posters

Go down

Pine Identification Empty Pine Identification

Post  alex e Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:51 pm

A member of our club acquired a Yamadori Pine and has asked me to identify the species,
I reckon its a "Beuvronesis",with its tiny foliage dark buds & bark, but!! if anyone knows different
please let me know and I will pass on the information to our club member.
BTW the coin is an GBP.
Pine Identification Image120
Pine Identification Image121
Pine Identification Image122

Alex e Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  Bob Pressler Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:57 am

Looks more like a cedar than a pine. Maybe its just my eyes.
Bob Pressler
Bob Pressler
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  Billy M. Rhodes Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:09 am

A member of our club acquired a Yamadori Pine and has asked me to identify the species,
I reckon its a "Beuvronesis",with its tiny foliage dark buds & bark, but!! if anyone knows different
please let me know and I will pass on the information to our club member.
BTW the coin is an GBP.


The new growth looks like a pine to me. I think I see candles. But what is "Beuvronesis?" And what is GBP?
Billy M. Rhodes
Billy M. Rhodes
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  handy mick Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:06 am

I vote for cedar, maybe spruce Question

handy mick
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  my nellie Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:17 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote: ... ... And what is GBP?
Great Britain's currency it is.
Great Britain Pound
my nellie
my nellie
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  alex e Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:18 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote:A member of our club acquired a Yamadori Pine and has asked me to identify the species,
I reckon its a "Beuvronensis",with its tiny foliage dark buds & bark, but!! if anyone knows different
please let me know and I will pass on the information to our club member.
BTW the coin is an GBP.


The new growth looks like a pine to me. I think I see candles. But what is "Beuvronensis?" And what is GBP?

Hi Bill the clue was in the thread "Yamadori Pine" Rolling Eyes Beuvronensis...Pinus Sylvestris [ornamental Scots Pine].
re- GBP..Great Britain Pound
regards Alex e Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  alex e Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:22 am

handy mick wrote:I vote for cedar, maybe spruce Question

scratch Em!! nope Mick its a Pine!!!!!!

Alex e Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  my nellie Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:36 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote: ... .... But what is "Beuvronesis?"
Since this made me curious, I made some research and I have found this
In Pinus sylvestris had a number of cultivars such as P. s Beuvronesis and P. s Watereri, which is also suitable for bonsai creation.
The above quotation is from a russian (or anything similar) webpage and the original goes like this:
Iš Pinus sylvestris kilo keletas kultivaru tokių kaip P. s. Beuvronesis ir P. s. Watereri , kurios taip pat yra tinkamos bonsai kūrimui.
which I found out that is in Lithuanian language and the translation is the first quotation.
So Bill you are right about p. sylvestris
my nellie
my nellie
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  handy mick Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:26 am

What the!!!! scratch
Was this a game? confused

handy mick
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Pine ID

Post  alex e Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:36 am


So Bill you are right about p. sylvestris[/quote]

Did you mean Alex ,Bill didn,t mention P.Sylvestris I did!!


Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  wabashene Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:40 am

Hi Alex,

Watereri tend to be very, very blue and needle length varies greatly so I would tend to favour A N Other maybe cultivar Beauvronensis.

But aren't both grafted more often than not?

Could also be a natural dwarf or grafted other? The yellow tinge is probably winter colour

I bought a teeny New Forest yamadori at JOB Bath last spring that has very small needles but not so dense and picea-like as these

No help at all I guess

TimR
wabashene
wabashene
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  wabashene Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:43 am

Thinking again

Some kind of a mugo maybe?

TimR
wabashene
wabashene
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Pine ID

Post  alex e Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:46 am

handy mick wrote:What the!!!! scratch
Was this a game? confused

Sorry! Mick its NOT! a game you misunderstand, the point I have been trying to make
is I KNOW!!!!! its a PINE!!!!!!!! and gave my thoughts to its identity [original thread]
but because I wasn,t 100% sure of which PINE! I asked the question Rolling Eyes

Alex e Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Pine ID

Post  alex e Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:59 am

wabashene wrote:Thinking again

Some kind of a mugo maybe?

TimR

Thanks for the feedback ,the only thing I know for certain is it was collected a lot
of years ago from a Pine Forest here in S.Wales, planted in a flower pot for years then
re-planted in a garden for the last 18 months along side 2 Sylvestris and 1 Mugo[coincidently]
from the same forest.

regards Alex e Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  my nellie Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:09 pm

alex e wrote:
Did you mean Alex ,Bill didn,t mention P.Sylvestris I did!!
Bagpiper
Sorry, Alex!
So, it seems that you are at the right side when you mention p. sylvestris.
my nellie
my nellie
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  sunip Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:47 pm

Hi Alex.
As far as i know Beuvronensis is a dwarf cultivar.
On your pine; also Pinus silvestris - Scots pine can make in certain circumstances such small needles,
also in nature i experienced myself with collecting.
regards, Sunip Wink

sunip
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Pine Identification

Post  bonsaisr Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:17 pm



Last edited by bonsaisr on Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:18 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Correction)
bonsaisr
bonsaisr
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  Mike Jones Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:44 pm

Hi Alex

I think it is a 'Bovi,' was it an urban yamadori collection rather than from the wild? I only ask as it seems very short-needled; then again maybe it was collected a while ago and needle reduction has or is being carried out. I have one but mine is a grafted dwarf variety.

Mike
Mike Jones
Mike Jones
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  Guest Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:38 pm

If it was a forest tree it will not be beuvronensis, waterii or any other dwarf cultivar as they are grafted and not used in forest plantations. Have tou a pic of the whole tree and what its planted in? Sylvestris in pot cultivation will produce small needles.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Pine ID

Post  alex e Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:53 am

will baddeley wrote:If it was a forest tree it will not be beuvronensis, waterii or any other dwarf cultivar as they are grafted and not used in forest plantations. Have tou a pic of the whole tree and what its planted in? Sylvestris in pot cultivation will produce small needles.

Hi Will, it was definitely collected in a forest and yes it was in a plant pot for a lot of years!
which I think is a major factor in the needle size,I will get a photo of the whole tree and post it.

Alex e Bagpiper
alex e
alex e
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  handy mick Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:50 am

Alex, this 'pine' seems to be nutrient deficient, notice the yellowing of needle tips. This could be a factor in the small needles, thus hard to id.

handy mick
Member


Back to top Go down

Pine Identification Empty Re: Pine Identification

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum