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Post  alex e on Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:51 pm

A member of our club acquired a Yamadori Pine and has asked me to identify the species,
I reckon its a "Beuvronesis",with its tiny foliage dark buds & bark, but!! if anyone knows different
please let me know and I will pass on the information to our club member.
BTW the coin is an GBP.




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Re: Pine Identification

Post  Bob Pressler on Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:57 am

Looks more like a cedar than a pine. Maybe its just my eyes.

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:09 am

A member of our club acquired a Yamadori Pine and has asked me to identify the species,
I reckon its a "Beuvronesis",with its tiny foliage dark buds & bark, but!! if anyone knows different
please let me know and I will pass on the information to our club member.
BTW the coin is an GBP.


The new growth looks like a pine to me. I think I see candles. But what is "Beuvronesis?" And what is GBP?

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Re: Pine Identification

Post  handy mick on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:06 am

I vote for cedar, maybe spruce Question

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Post  my nellie on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:17 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote: ... ... And what is GBP?
Great Britain's currency it is.
Great Britain Pound

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Post  alex e on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:18 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote:A member of our club acquired a Yamadori Pine and has asked me to identify the species,
I reckon its a "Beuvronensis",with its tiny foliage dark buds & bark, but!! if anyone knows different
please let me know and I will pass on the information to our club member.
BTW the coin is an GBP.


The new growth looks like a pine to me. I think I see candles. But what is "Beuvronensis?" And what is GBP?

Hi Bill the clue was in the thread "Yamadori Pine" Rolling Eyes Beuvronensis...Pinus Sylvestris [ornamental Scots Pine].
re- GBP..Great Britain Pound
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Re: Pine Identification

Post  alex e on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:22 am

handy mick wrote:I vote for cedar, maybe spruce Question

scratch Em!! nope Mick its a Pine!!!!!!

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Post  my nellie on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:36 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote: ... .... But what is "Beuvronesis?"
Since this made me curious, I made some research and I have found this
In Pinus sylvestris had a number of cultivars such as P. s Beuvronesis and P. s Watereri, which is also suitable for bonsai creation.
The above quotation is from a russian (or anything similar) webpage and the original goes like this:
Iš Pinus sylvestris kilo keletas kultivaru tokių kaip P. s. Beuvronesis ir P. s. Watereri , kurios taip pat yra tinkamos bonsai kūrimui.
which I found out that is in Lithuanian language and the translation is the first quotation.
So Bill you are right about p. sylvestris

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Re: Pine Identification

Post  handy mick on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:26 am

What the!!!! scratch
Was this a game? confused

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Post  alex e on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:36 am


So Bill you are right about p. sylvestris[/quote]

Did you mean Alex ,Bill didn,t mention P.Sylvestris I did!!


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Re: Pine Identification

Post  wabashene on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:40 am

Hi Alex,

Watereri tend to be very, very blue and needle length varies greatly so I would tend to favour A N Other maybe cultivar Beauvronensis.

But aren't both grafted more often than not?

Could also be a natural dwarf or grafted other? The yellow tinge is probably winter colour

I bought a teeny New Forest yamadori at JOB Bath last spring that has very small needles but not so dense and picea-like as these

No help at all I guess

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Re: Pine Identification

Post  wabashene on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:43 am

Thinking again

Some kind of a mugo maybe?

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Post  alex e on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:46 am

handy mick wrote:What the!!!! scratch
Was this a game? confused

Sorry! Mick its NOT! a game you misunderstand, the point I have been trying to make
is I KNOW!!!!! its a PINE!!!!!!!! and gave my thoughts to its identity [original thread]
but because I wasn,t 100% sure of which PINE! I asked the question Rolling Eyes

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Post  alex e on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:59 am

wabashene wrote:Thinking again

Some kind of a mugo maybe?

TimR

Thanks for the feedback ,the only thing I know for certain is it was collected a lot
of years ago from a Pine Forest here in S.Wales, planted in a flower pot for years then
re-planted in a garden for the last 18 months along side 2 Sylvestris and 1 Mugo[coincidently]
from the same forest.

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Post  my nellie on Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:09 pm

alex e wrote:
Did you mean Alex ,Bill didn,t mention P.Sylvestris I did!!
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Sorry, Alex!
So, it seems that you are at the right side when you mention p. sylvestris.

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Re: Pine Identification

Post  sunip on Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:47 pm

Hi Alex.
As far as i know Beuvronensis is a dwarf cultivar.
On your pine; also Pinus silvestris - Scots pine can make in certain circumstances such small needles,
also in nature i experienced myself with collecting.
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Post  bonsaisr on Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:17 pm

Go here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericinsf/1190411178/
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Re: Pine Identification

Post  Mike Jones on Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:44 pm

Hi Alex

I think it is a 'Bovi,' was it an urban yamadori collection rather than from the wild? I only ask as it seems very short-needled; then again maybe it was collected a while ago and needle reduction has or is being carried out. I have one but mine is a grafted dwarf variety.

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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:38 pm

If it was a forest tree it will not be beuvronensis, waterii or any other dwarf cultivar as they are grafted and not used in forest plantations. Have tou a pic of the whole tree and what its planted in? Sylvestris in pot cultivation will produce small needles.

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Post  alex e on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:53 am

will baddeley wrote:If it was a forest tree it will not be beuvronensis, waterii or any other dwarf cultivar as they are grafted and not used in forest plantations. Have tou a pic of the whole tree and what its planted in? Sylvestris in pot cultivation will produce small needles.

Hi Will, it was definitely collected in a forest and yes it was in a plant pot for a lot of years!
which I think is a major factor in the needle size,I will get a photo of the whole tree and post it.

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Re: Pine Identification

Post  handy mick on Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:50 am

Alex, this 'pine' seems to be nutrient deficient, notice the yellowing of needle tips. This could be a factor in the small needles, thus hard to id.

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