Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

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Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  mbolos on Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:50 pm

Thanks to a recent birthday, I have become the proud owner of this old, twisted Ponderosa. I always like to have an idea of where a tree is headed so I know how to prune, what angle to sit the tree at, etc. However, for this tree I have not come up with a satisfactory idea yet, especially given the twisted dead branch on one side of the tree. I thought I'd turn it over to the brilliant boffins of IBC. I would really appreciate any ideas/virtuals you might have.

Thank you!

-Mike




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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  dorothy7774 on Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:53 pm

Hi Mike,

real nice material! This tree has many ways to go. Personally I like something like this:





But then, I also like the "back" of the pine as potential front. Smile

Best,
dorothy

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  F. Waheedy on Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:21 pm

Hi Mike,

That's a very nice Ponderosa you've got. Beautiful trunk movement.
@ Dorothy : Love your Virtuals, Dorothy. This is another beautiful one.

Go for it, Mike.

Regards,

Faisal

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Todd Ellis on Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:19 am

Great tree and great virtual by Dorothy. Front or back looks good. I imagine that a "wrapping, wiring, and bending" workshop is in your future! cheers
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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  mbolos on Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:45 am

I have to agree that Dorothy's virtual, as always, really captures the tree's beauty. Todd, I definitely see a fall workshop in my future!

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  tom tynan on Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:03 am

The virtual is outstanding - but the concern should be that without knowing how deep the roots go and why it is in such a deep nursery can - it makes the shallow rectangle uncertain. I am pretty sure I know who collected the tree - so you have great piece of Ponderosa material to work with. You really shouldn't plan too far ahead with a piece of material like this - you have to wait anyways - so don't get too locked into one approach. Even working on the deadwood, cleaning, wire brush, some carving - could be trouble - because you will cause twist and force onto the root masss that is trying to establish itself in the pumice mix. The tips of the roots will turn white and start to extend soon - they may be starting now. They are about the thickness of normal sphagetti pasta [thicker than angel hair pasta !]. They are fragile at the ends - it takes very little force to snap them off.

You really just want the tree to grow this season and get stronger; watch the buds and wait for late April into early May and you should see the candles extend and start to differentiate - this tells you that your tree is alive and growing. Look for a back issue of International Bonsai - with a Ponderosa Pine article by Walter Pall ; 2003 - Issue No. 4 - this will give you a good background and approach to care, feeding and development. Good Luck...Tom.

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  mbolos on Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:50 am

Thanks for the advice Tom. I've learned to be excessively conservative when it comes to shaping conifers. This tree has large buds swelling on the branch tips and great bud development along the inner parts of the branches as well. That said, spring and summer will just be watering, feeding, and watching to see how it responds. Nonetheless, it's much more enjoyable to stare at a tree and have an image in your head of its future than to stare at it and wonder "what the heck am I gonna do with that?"

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  dorothy7774 on Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:31 am

Glad you guys like the virt, thanks! Keep us posted with the development, Mike. Here's the back, couldn't resist Very Happy :




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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Guest on Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:09 am

Hi Mike,
very nice material.

Dorothy's last Virt using the back is much better I think. More dramatic and powerful than the first one.

lucky you.


regards,
jun

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  mbolos on Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:17 am

Jun,

Are you saying you like the branch placement better or you like the large jin as the front?

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Russell Coker on Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:42 pm

When I saw your last couple of pictures I thought they were the most interesting. I'm so glad Dorothy did one of her wonderful virtuals for it. It is my favorite too, for what it's worth.

R

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  sunip on Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:53 pm

Hi Mike
Potential here.
I hope the actual nerbari will support the virtuals.
I am still wondering how to avoid to much revers taper, maybe turning the tree a bit?
regards, Sunip Wink

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Jesse on Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:41 pm

Nice tree that I will keep an eye on.

Wow, Dorothy. Quite a knack for seeing the tree or trees within the tree and helping others to see as well. I'm seriously impressed.

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  rolandp on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:14 am

Hi Mbolos. You have a realy great Pine.

And the virtuals from Dorothy are amazing.
I would go in the direction of the second virtual (the back). Its simply stuninng.

regards, roland

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Hombre on Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:17 pm

Dorothy you are a realy artist , your virtuals is amazing , probably i need your help in the near future Cool
Great tree by the way

Best regards Lazaros.

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Orion on Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:50 am

Mike,

Any update on this one??

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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  mbolos on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:54 am

I made most of the necessary bends last year (the photo shows the rough result). That said, I felt like having a go at grafting, so applied two JBP grafts this spring. Everything's growing well, so we'll see in another year or so whether they take.






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Re: Ideas for an Old, Curvy Ponderosa

Post  Joe Hatfield on Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:03 pm

Hey Mike, I just grafted some Scotts Pine to my Ponderosa. I'm interested in which method you used. Also some of your observations.

This is going to be awesome when it has developed.


Hope the move went well,

-Joe

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