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Azalea, can anyone identify

Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:30 am

Hello to All,

a nursery down here brought in 3 sizes of azaleas, and no names. Probably a fools request, but can anyone identify this shrub?

Originally started out from I believe, Miami.
Thanks if anyone can help.
Khaimraj

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Re: Azalea, can anyone identify

Post  Russell Coker on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:58 am

The first thing that comes to mind is 'Nuccio's wild cherry'.

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Re: Azalea, can anyone identify

Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:04 pm


Well Russell,

if you are correct, you have just made my day. A satsuki, in the tropics and healthy - wow !!
Thanks.
Khaimraj

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/241/nuccios-wild-cherry-azalea.php

http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/nuccioswildcherry

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Post  Glaucus on Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:23 pm

Was going to post that azalea society pbase link, but it doesn't look anything like Nuccio's Wild Cherry, as you can see.

It is indeed a bit of a fool's request, in a sense. There are thousands of evergreen azalea cultivar. And in this case we have a flower that has no colour pattern. Monocolour azaleas often look identical, but aren't.

Is that flower fully opened and are all flowers the same? Also, is the flower colour in the picture the same as the actual colour?

You can browse through the database and find a picture that looks most like your azalea.


Looking at the picture makes me think of 'Hoshi no Kagami', but the odds are very low that it is that azalea. It doesn't quite look the same and there is no reason to assume this satsuki, out of the thousands, entered the garden plants industry in Florida. But I just wanted to post the picture anyway:

http://satsukimania.net/index.php/variety/44-hoshinokagayaki.html

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Post  jrodriguez on Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:28 pm

Not a Satsuki. This is a Southern Indica. The leaf pattern and shape is a dead give away.
Anyhow, they make good bonsai, in a larger scale.

Kind Regards,

Jose Luis

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Re: Azalea, can anyone identify

Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:01 pm

Glaucus,

as far as my screen shows it the colour is correct, as the flower goes.

Going on what Jose typed I came up with this -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2352692913_160fd7b834_o.jpg

Flower looks the same, but the colour is closer to what Glaucus posted. Also I counted 5 stamens on the two flowers. Leaves are averaging 3 to 4 cm.

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-629.html

I have another that has to flower, but the leaves average 2cm and smaller.
Much thanks guys.
Will keep searching.
Maybe find a name.
Khaimraj
[ That's for another guess who - ha ha ha ]

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Post  Russell Coker on Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:13 pm

Khaimraj,

Do you have a picture of the whole plant? Was/is it in a commercial nursery pot? Is it blooming now?
Are there speckles in the throat?

R

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Post  Glaucus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:38 pm

Leaves do look like the cultivar that are R.simsii derived.

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:48 pm

Russell,

The local nursery sold them already re-potted, to travel to Trinidad, they would have been bare rooted as azaleas go. The speckles are on one centre petal to the throat, and shared partially by the petals on either side of the centre one.

I can ask my friend in three days to give me another image. If you don't mind the wait?

Nuccios is a plant breeder ? I am seeing other azaleas carrying the name, Nuccios.

Thank you.
Later.
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Re: Azalea, can anyone identify

Post  Russell Coker on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:09 pm

Yes, the Nuccios breed camellias and azaleas. They are on the west coast. I met them in Japan when they were on a satsuki buying trip. Your second link shows many different azaleas with the name Nuccios wild cherry. I don't understand this. Check out http://www.garten.cz/a/cz/6261-azalea-x-nuccio-s-wild-cherry-japonska-azalka/ for a better picture.

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Post  Glaucus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:34 pm

Nuccio's Nurseries still exists. They are in California. They created a whole bunch of new azalea which they claim have satsuki parentage.

I think they received seeds from Japan, grew those, got a bunch of new azalea and hybridized some more with that, which would explain why I can't trace any of their cultivar back to actual Japanese satsuki cultivar.

'Nuccio's Wild Cherry' is 'Madame Alfred Sanders' x 'Summer Sun', where 'Summer Sun' is the satsuki and the Sanders azalea the Belgian indica.

It seems the pbase azalea society picture of 'Wild Cherry' is wrong. The picture posted and 'Wild Cherry' are indeed similar. And the Belgian indica in the parentage will explain the leaves, which don't look like typical satsuki or R.indicum leaves.

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Post  Russell Coker on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:52 pm

I met Mr. and Mrs. Julius(?) Nuccio in Kanuma in 1985. Can't say they didn't get seeds, but they were with the president of the satsuki association buying plants. Can't remember his name, it's been a long time, but a nice guy who spoke English. My boss then, Kenko Rokkaku, gave them a bunch of new ones.

This isn't an indica. I still say N. w.c.

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Post  Glaucus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:50 pm

Well, you know more than me. If they bought plants in Kanuma, they will certainly have used them.

About Kanuma, I actually planned to mail some satsuki hybridizes there to ask if they can send me seeds. But with the earthquake not too far away I don't know if I should wait a year.
I hope they are ok.


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