Sea Grapes need Suggestions
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Someone posted some pictures recently. I did a search but nothing came up. I think it was either Khaimraj or Jun, so hopefully they will help.
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
will baddeley wrote:Someone posted some pictures recently. I did a search but nothing came up. I think it was either Khaimraj or Jun, so hopefully they will help.
Will i think its Khaimraj And he also posted a similar plat in Budi's birthday greetings
Regards,
Alex
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Guys,
I am afraid the only suggestion I could make here is to put the tree into the ground and grow for another 5 years. On our side it takes a while for the seagrape to put on a trunk. With the super large leaves, a fat trunk helps to create the illusion of a seagrape tree.
Khaimraj
tree
close-up
Mam'e ????
I am afraid the only suggestion I could make here is to put the tree into the ground and grow for another 5 years. On our side it takes a while for the seagrape to put on a trunk. With the super large leaves, a fat trunk helps to create the illusion of a seagrape tree.
Khaimraj
tree
close-up
Mam'e ????
Khaimraj Seepersad- Member
Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Iben,
Apa Kabar, Salam dari Porto Rico!!! (How are you, greeting from Puerto Rico)
Sea grapes, generally, are not the ideal bonsai subject. They are very difficult to ramify and the leaves are usually too big for small bonsai. Now that I told you their bad qualities, let me enumerate the good:
1) When in fruit, the trees look spectacular
2) Their spring bronze/reddish foliage is difficult to surpass
3)On old trees, the character of the trunk is very interesting.
Below, a collected specimen with well over 15 year of bonsai training. This is the only Sea Grape in my collection. I would suggest you to plant the tree in the ground and prune it regularly. When in fertile soil, sea grapes tend to grow really fast and the new branches fatten up to the point that bending them is a real problem. Because of this, directional pruning is your best option when developing a trunk line. Once the trunk is established and the tree is trasferred to a pot, you can begin to shape the secondary and tertiary growth by combining grow and cut tecniques with wire positioning.
Apa Kabar, Salam dari Porto Rico!!! (How are you, greeting from Puerto Rico)
Sea grapes, generally, are not the ideal bonsai subject. They are very difficult to ramify and the leaves are usually too big for small bonsai. Now that I told you their bad qualities, let me enumerate the good:
1) When in fruit, the trees look spectacular
2) Their spring bronze/reddish foliage is difficult to surpass
3)On old trees, the character of the trunk is very interesting.
Below, a collected specimen with well over 15 year of bonsai training. This is the only Sea Grape in my collection. I would suggest you to plant the tree in the ground and prune it regularly. When in fertile soil, sea grapes tend to grow really fast and the new branches fatten up to the point that bending them is a real problem. Because of this, directional pruning is your best option when developing a trunk line. Once the trunk is established and the tree is trasferred to a pot, you can begin to shape the secondary and tertiary growth by combining grow and cut tecniques with wire positioning.
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Jose,
really beautiful seagrape. A little tilt on the stone / seagrape and you have seagrape at the cliffs of Toco on my side. Maybe a pot with a water / land separation, to suggest hanging over the ocean.
Top marks !!
Khaimraj
really beautiful seagrape. A little tilt on the stone / seagrape and you have seagrape at the cliffs of Toco on my side. Maybe a pot with a water / land separation, to suggest hanging over the ocean.
Top marks !!
Khaimraj
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Sea grape guys (Khaimraj and Jose Luis),
does sea grapes needs occasional salt water/seawater like Phempis acidula? I'm planning to look for seagrape material,,,we got lots of sea grapes all over the country.
regards,
jun
does sea grapes needs occasional salt water/seawater like Phempis acidula? I'm planning to look for seagrape material,,,we got lots of sea grapes all over the country.
regards,
jun
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Jun,
Do Sea Grapes need sea water? Yes and no. It al depends on the tree. Usually, trees that have been harvested from the sea shore do better with ocassional sea water. Scale type pests are dettered from attacking trees which are sprayed with salt water. Also, fruit production is better when sea salt is involved. The fruit tastes better when ripe.
When sea water is added, the leaf lamina is thicker and smaller. If properly cultivated, you can redice the leaves to the size of a US half dollar or even a quarter.
Do Sea Grapes need sea water? Yes and no. It al depends on the tree. Usually, trees that have been harvested from the sea shore do better with ocassional sea water. Scale type pests are dettered from attacking trees which are sprayed with salt water. Also, fruit production is better when sea salt is involved. The fruit tastes better when ripe.
When sea water is added, the leaf lamina is thicker and smaller. If properly cultivated, you can redice the leaves to the size of a US half dollar or even a quarter.
jrodriguez- Member
Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Jun,
most sea side trees that we have are really growing in solid clay, the sand part is often less than 6 inches [ 15 cm ]. So my buttonwoods, sea grapes, randias and other high tide trees handle seablast with very ugly thick leaves [ as Jose said ] but grow inland with normal water.
Without the sea spray, the leaves are finer and way more attractive. Seagrape berries are hot to the taste and as far as I am concerned an acquired taste [ maybe as a child .]
I have a 25 foot youngester seagrape growing on the front lawn, always with berries, which the birds love.
Fertilize heavily before defoliation and place in the hottest sun you can give for maximum dwarfing of the leaves. Trying for American dime size.
Wood is eaten on our side by termites, maturity of the tree makes no difference, nor does the dry season seablast.
I have found that open placement and heavy sun removes most insects and of course I use organic [ compost / cocopeat ] stuff in my mix. I haven't used any insecticide save a systemic for the Clerodendrum that comes from Barbados. We have a bug that just loves the leaves.
In this case if you can legally, I - encourage - to get a big, shapely trunk, but try to avoid the deadwood if you can.
Stay Well.
Khaimraj
most sea side trees that we have are really growing in solid clay, the sand part is often less than 6 inches [ 15 cm ]. So my buttonwoods, sea grapes, randias and other high tide trees handle seablast with very ugly thick leaves [ as Jose said ] but grow inland with normal water.
Without the sea spray, the leaves are finer and way more attractive. Seagrape berries are hot to the taste and as far as I am concerned an acquired taste [ maybe as a child .]
I have a 25 foot youngester seagrape growing on the front lawn, always with berries, which the birds love.
Fertilize heavily before defoliation and place in the hottest sun you can give for maximum dwarfing of the leaves. Trying for American dime size.
Wood is eaten on our side by termites, maturity of the tree makes no difference, nor does the dry season seablast.
I have found that open placement and heavy sun removes most insects and of course I use organic [ compost / cocopeat ] stuff in my mix. I haven't used any insecticide save a systemic for the Clerodendrum that comes from Barbados. We have a bug that just loves the leaves.
In this case if you can legally, I - encourage - to get a big, shapely trunk, but try to avoid the deadwood if you can.
Stay Well.
Khaimraj
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Jose Luis and Khaimraj,
Thank you guys! I appreciate it.
I'll start my search and follow your advice...I'll try to start with small ones first and see if I can keep it alive.
regards,
jun
Thank you guys! I appreciate it.
I'll start my search and follow your advice...I'll try to start with small ones first and see if I can keep it alive.
regards,
jun
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Iben,
my apology if I'm hitching on your thread. but thanks to you too.
...btw, try to experiment first on your little tree, try to learn first its behavior and growth pattern before you acquire a bigger tree.
regards,
jun
my apology if I'm hitching on your thread. but thanks to you too.
...btw, try to experiment first on your little tree, try to learn first its behavior and growth pattern before you acquire a bigger tree.
regards,
jun
Last edited by jun on Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Jun,
No!!!! Start big....if you can. Remember the leaf size.
Fiona:
Cocoloba uvifera
Kind Regards,
Jose Luis
No!!!! Start big....if you can. Remember the leaf size.
Fiona:
Cocoloba uvifera
Kind Regards,
Jose Luis
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
jrodriguez wrote:Jun,
No!!!! Start big....if you can. Remember the leaf size.
Fiona:
Cocoloba uvifera
Kind Regards,
Jose Luis
Oh yeah yeah! right, the leaf size. I was looking at your very nice ramified tree, and forgot the leaves. Thanks.
regards,
jun
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Wow, Jun,
starting with a small tree -help, help the sky is falling !!
Always keep your eye out for a seedling that has more branches than average. It will probably be weaker than the others, as seagrapes tend to live in communities, suffocating out who ever cannot extend rapidly. The ones that can multi-branch would be the best for bonsai, but the first to die in a seagrape patch.
They make great mam'e, and the leaves will shrink to smaller than an American quarter, sometimes you get dime and smaller sizes. Remember I once had a 3 inch [ 7.5 cm ] tall specimen with 17 branches, and it just disappeared - too doo, doo doo, too doo, doo doo [ Twighlight Zone ]
And it is time to go an search for another - Yahooooooo !!!
Catch you later, Alligator.
Khaimraj
starting with a small tree -help, help the sky is falling !!
Always keep your eye out for a seedling that has more branches than average. It will probably be weaker than the others, as seagrapes tend to live in communities, suffocating out who ever cannot extend rapidly. The ones that can multi-branch would be the best for bonsai, but the first to die in a seagrape patch.
They make great mam'e, and the leaves will shrink to smaller than an American quarter, sometimes you get dime and smaller sizes. Remember I once had a 3 inch [ 7.5 cm ] tall specimen with 17 branches, and it just disappeared - too doo, doo doo, too doo, doo doo [ Twighlight Zone ]
And it is time to go an search for another - Yahooooooo !!!
Catch you later, Alligator.
Khaimraj
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
....remember one of my older posts here? I got one of the smallest bonsai around here. hehehe.
I will keep the small sea grape for experiment....then I will intentionally kill it when I'm done with it. (no environmentalist here, this is for Khaimraj eyes only).
regards,
jun
I will keep the small sea grape for experiment....then I will intentionally kill it when I'm done with it. (no environmentalist here, this is for Khaimraj eyes only).
regards,
jun
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Ok topic heading East, literally - ha ha ha.
Have fun Jun.
Laughingly.
Khaimraj
Have fun Jun.
Laughingly.
Khaimraj
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Re: Sea Grapes need Suggestions
Will,Ogie,Khaimraj, Jose Luis, Jun, Fiona....Salam dari Surabaya- Indonesia..
Thank you for your kind and complete information you have been giving to me about Sea grapes.
I am very interesting about that because this type unique and seldom in Surabaya-Indonesia. I have been looked for at every nursery but can not find that tree.
I ever got that from my friend 5 years ago, and i will do instruction from Jose & Khaimraj...I will plant in the ground and hope that 10 years later become the only one sea grapes bonsai tree in Surabaya- Indonesia..hahaha...
I love this forum...
Thank you for your kind and complete information you have been giving to me about Sea grapes.
I am very interesting about that because this type unique and seldom in Surabaya-Indonesia. I have been looked for at every nursery but can not find that tree.
I ever got that from my friend 5 years ago, and i will do instruction from Jose & Khaimraj...I will plant in the ground and hope that 10 years later become the only one sea grapes bonsai tree in Surabaya- Indonesia..hahaha...
I love this forum...
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