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Do you like patina ?

Post  peter krebs on Sat May 02, 2009 12:39 pm

Hello pot lovers,

Please excuse for the first bad translation. Embarassed
Here's a new start.

http://www.bonsaipots.net/index.php?page=patina-on-old-pots

Enjoy reading and studying. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post  prestontolbert on Sat May 02, 2009 7:38 pm

Was this translated from Japanese to German to English?

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Post  John Quinn on Sat May 02, 2009 8:17 pm

Probably with some help from Babelfish or Google translation. Cool Smile
Thanks for the info!

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Post  peter krebs on Sun May 03, 2009 7:10 am

Hello Prestontolbert
Hello John

That was just an attempt, whether it is possible, articles on bonsai pots in U.S. public.
Text and photos are of me and I tried it with Google to translate, because my English skills are sufficient for such articles, unfortunately not enough.
Please tell me whether it is so bad that it does not understand me then I must seek another program, sorry.

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Post  Kev Bailey on Sun May 03, 2009 1:03 pm

Hi Peter, thanks for taking the time and effort. The article is mostly understandable. It does take a bit of effort in places but the gist or sense of what is meant is there. Anyone who wants the information will make that effort.

I love patina in pots, whether it is natural or down to the potters skill in glazing.

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Post  John Quinn on Sun May 03, 2009 4:01 pm

I agree with Kev. I have the same problems trying now and then to read the German forum using Google translation...mostly successful but not 100%.

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  peter krebs on Sun May 03, 2009 5:35 pm

Hello Kev,
hello John,

Thank you for your understanding.
I will try again with an article with less text.

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  peter krebs on Tue May 12, 2009 9:51 pm

Hello pot lovers,

Please excuse for the first bad translation. Embarassed
Here's a new start.

http://www.bonsaipots.net/index.php?page=patina-on-old-pots

Enjoy reading and studying. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Many greetings

Peter

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  Rob Kempinski on Wed May 13, 2009 5:44 pm

I have always been confused between patina and dirt on pots?

For instance a pot that develops white calcium deposits from the local water quality, does that contribute to patina?

I store many of my pots outside - hope they are getting patina.

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  Alan Walker on Wed May 13, 2009 9:38 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:I have always been confused between patina and dirt on pots?
For instance a pot that develops white calcium deposits from the local water quality, does that contribute to patina?
I store many of my pots outside - hope they are getting patina.
Good question, Rob. Of course, limescale is NOT patina. This is addressed directly in Peter's article:
"The best source for patina is sebaceous matter - your hands' natural oils and the acids in them. You can also use a very light, volatile lubricating oil like baby oil or ballistic oil (the oil should evaporate within a few days). Proper pot maintenance is an essential ingredient of doing bonsai - it only takes a few seconds per pot. Once a week, you can wipe it very sparingly with a one of the mentioned lubricants. By touching the pot and stroking it every so often, the hands' natural oils along with everything else that a pot is exposed to - fertilizer, rain, small particles of dust - will produce the desired patina in the course of a few decades. Pots maintained like this also won't develop limescale. Both trees and pots gain their full charisma and dignity with age."
I think I will try to do this for my pots and see if it reduces the limescale problem.
And I suspect that dirt (soil) qualifies as patination.
In any event, my greatest concern is that my bonsai pots are exhibit worthy. I'm not showing them without bonsai as was the case with Mr. Su's wonderful Smithsonian exhibit of antique Chinese pots at the Sackler Gallery in 2005.

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  peter krebs on Thu May 14, 2009 5:27 pm

Hello Rob,

The patina is as described in the article and as Alan says.
"Calcium is only good for bone" cheers

Hello Alan,

Many pots of Mr. IC Su will appear on my info page presented.
All article have yet to be translated.

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Post  Alan Walker on Sun May 17, 2009 3:41 am

[quote="Alan Walker] And I suspect that dirt (soil) qualifies as patination. [/quote]
Sorry, I meant to say the opposite, that dirt does not qualify as patination.

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  peter krebs on Sun May 17, 2009 8:06 am

Hello Alan,

Unfortunately, there is still no precise research on the patina on bonsai pots.
I think you're right. Also a forum in which we will discuss, it’s a part of the way for us.
Anyone can here from his own experience to tell. Laughing

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Post  eaton2008 on Sun May 17, 2009 9:54 am

is this patina or just dirt??


new pot


old pot

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Post  eaton2008 on Sun May 17, 2009 10:04 am

does this pot have patina?? its 13years old?!



This pot is new

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Re: Do you like patina ?

Post  peter krebs on Sun May 17, 2009 10:19 am

Hello Eaton,

this is the beginning of a patina. Laughing
The best there is a patina on the glaze. Your glaze is still too new, it has yet to “taste of fire” . In ten years it looks different.
P.S. Attention this glaze, "Craqueleè" is not very frost resistant.

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Post  eaton2008 on Sun May 17, 2009 6:29 pm

very interesting thanks peter, there appears to be no substitute to time!!

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Post  peter krebs on Mon May 25, 2009 6:46 am

Hello pot lovers ;

Here is an new article about patina on pots.
Do you like yellow?

http://www.bonsaipots.net/index.php?page=shades-of-yellow

I wish you a lot of fun to read and view the images. Laughing

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Peter

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