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Shohin English Oak

Post  Peter E. on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:13 pm

I have had this one 2 years and this w.e. i had a look at the roots and did the first styling.
When i removed the soil i found a hollow nebrari so i tried to make use of this with the planting.
It stands a majestic 19cm high.





I may have to do some work with the old dead trunk.


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Post  Mike Jones on Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:16 pm

I look forward to seeing it in leaf. I agree with you on the dead areas.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:13 am

That trunk looks very grizzly and old. Nice. Like to see it with some leaves.

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:24 am

Hello Peter. Top is all dead I take it? You will lose it all unless you clean it up and preserve it. Perhaps some subtle carving to give the deadwood some movement and bring it together with the live section.

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Post  Peter E. on Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:41 pm

Will, the top is dead and at the moment solid.I plan to carve it back and also hollow the trunk later.
Mike, Rob, the leaves will look out of proportion when they come. May have to be a bit abstract and use one leaf for a branch.
I have seen Oak leaves at 20mm so if i can get some ramification that will help.

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:19 pm

Careful watering, apical bud removal and leaf pruning will give you small Oak leaves.

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:27 pm

is it ok to fully leaf prune oaks? i had read you should only partly prune them and also when is the best time? i have a couple of oaks and i would like to try leaf pruning them this year.
cheers, jim.

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Post  Mike Jones on Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:45 pm

I've only ever done partial removal but twice, not of the same leaves. removed leaves bar two or three per branch but left any weaker branches alone. Once new set appeared I kept watering and feeding very light, and once second set appeared I then removed the originals not cut off on first prune; these then produced a second set.

Get the watering wrong and they will be just a s big. DON'T of course chance it at the same season as a root prune. And on that subject like HH I have found later to be better for re-potting Oaks.

A club member who categorically states he spent six years one year on and one off with no repot in this period removing all leaves twice per growing season. I only have his word this is not based on experience. What I will say is I have never seen Oak leaves on an English Oak so tiny, they are around 25-30mm each in length, it takes some believing but I've seen it.

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:10 pm

thanks mike, i'm not too worried about leaf size for the next year or so(although it would be nice to see smaller leaves this summer and i know it's hand in hand) i'm trying fo ramification at the moment. what you're suggesting sounds like what i'm after. cheers.

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Post  Harleyrider on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:27 pm

Tony cuts his Oak leaves in half and the new leaves that follow are reduced quite substantially. I'm going to do it on mine this year, I'll take pics before and after.

How long would you think Oak takes to rot down, Will? With it being such a hard wood I thought it would be years before it disappeared. I ask because I hollowed out the trunk of mine last year and intend to keep going until it's just a shell. I don't want to suddenly find that it's vanishing before my very eyes.

And no comments about speed of Oak rot compared to how long I've got left on this planet, thank you very much!

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:41 pm

Hello Steve. The external deadwood on Peters shohin will rot within a couple of years. It appears to have bark on it which will trap moisture and stay wet longer. Any old deciduous wood will rot quickly without treatment. Internally this is much slower, but a close eye on any fungal growth is a must and a regular spray inside should help.

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Post  Harleyrider on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:48 pm

Thanks for that Will. I've noticed a few white, 'flaky' specks in the base of the hollow recently. Not sure what it is, but I'd rather it wasn't there. Any recommendations on treatments?

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:59 pm

Harleyrider wrote:Thanks for that Will. I've noticed a few white, 'flaky' specks in the base of the hollow recently. Not sure what it is, but I'd rather it wasn't there. Any recommendations on treatments?

Head & Shoulders Steve. Like I should know.
A general purpose fungicide should do it. You could also try a clear wood preserver like Cuprinol. They have fungicides in them too.

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Post  Harleyrider on Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:04 pm

Cheers Will. I shall give one of those a try. The carving/hollowing has a long way to go yet (I'm aiming for a similar effect to Tony's Tall Guy), but I'll definitely keep on top of things while the job is in progress.

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Post  Peter E. on Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:20 pm

I have defoliated my big oak every year for the past 4 years. Not to reduce the size but to build ramifacation.
I haven't repotted in this time. The tree was always very well fed.

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