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Post  sunip on Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:24 pm

At the Noelanders there whas one hinoki shohin and one mame Seha Hinoki at show.
My question is how you get (with such a trunk diameter in mind) the green needles so close by?
Is this achieved by grafting or just by growing and cutting of some leader branches?
I have to light out mine constantly to prevend die back near the trunk. scratch
regards, Sunip Wink

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Post  sunip on Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:30 pm

In case you might think i answered my own question.
Let me ask differently.Very Happy
Considering the time a trunk like that has to grow,
is it by way of constant picking of the needles possible to remain with such small branches in relation to the trunk,
Given the fact that Chamaecypharis does not bud back
and in the shade the inner parts merciless die back do they graft branches?
Anyway i am in great admiration for this result. Wink
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Post  Guest on Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:30 pm

Hi Sunip

I think you partly answered the question Very Happy My guess is that many (if not all) of those branches are grafted. Pinching regularly to add sun on inner branches is essential too. Eventually after a long time, new branches may need to be grafted again, because the branch foliage will end up be too far away from the trunk one day?

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Post  sunip on Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:08 pm

Thanks Morten,
So my guess is justified, after that many years of trunk growth, it is not that probable you be left with such branches.
But then i thought, grafting such hinoki sort as Chamaecypharis lawsonia
or Chamaecypharis obtusa Nana Gracilis and others,
is almost impossible.
Am i wrong, is it for the layman manageable?Surprised
regards, Sunip Wink

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Post  Guest on Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:20 pm

Hi Sunip

I am convinced that the Chamaecypharis is somewhat difficult to graft without good skills and practise. The thin layers of cambium is easily damaged and dries out. Need some practise I guess on invaluable trees before trying on good bonsai material at least.

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Post  sunip on Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:23 am

Thanks for the reply Morten.
I do not have any experience with branch grafting on Hinoki.
I only tried to graft bark on to two hinoki's a few years ago.
I red about this technique, by removing of a branch you leave a piece of the bark of the branch attached to the trunk.
When the cutting place is flattend you bend the bark over it and fix the whole.
But as you mentioned that cambium layer is quit thin and it did not work.
(On deciduous trees this technique will have more chance to succeed i think)
In the main time the wounds are healing naturally.
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Post  Jose Acuña on Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:27 am

Examples





And some Chokan Works. No Grafting needed.
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Post  Rob Kempinski on Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:38 am

Jose Acuña wrote:Examples





And some Chokan Works. No Grafting needed.
Regards
Jose Acuña





The proof is in the pudding. Thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with the species as I can't grow them in Florida. USA.

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Post  Guest on Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:50 am

Jose

Thanks for inspiring photos. Is it not necessary on the shohin either? Will they bud back sufficiently with enough light and air to the inner parts, to keep them the same size over time?

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Post  Jose Acuña on Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:45 pm

morten albek wrote:Jose

Is it not necessary on the shohin either? Will they bud back sufficiently with enough light and air to the inner parts, to keep them the same size over time?



Hi Morten;
I have seen this hinoki only for shohin size.
As I am sure you know, if you keep any tree always like going to a exhibition, the green will not keep near to the trunk. You have to go back and “restart” with branches from time to time.
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Post  Guest on Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:55 pm

Jose Acuña wrote:
morten albek wrote:Jose

Is it not necessary on the shohin either? Will they bud back sufficiently with enough light and air to the inner parts, to keep them the same size over time?



Hi Morten;
I have seen this hinoki only for shohin size.
As I am sure you know, if you keep any tree always like going to a exhibition, the green will not keep near to the trunk. You have to go back and “restart” with branches from time to time.
Regards
Jose

Thanks Jose. I may ask a bit preciser. My concern is, if it is possible get this specie to bud back on branches without growth behind that point. That be the very inner branches on this specie, in order to reproduce growth without the need of grafting new branches. I hope this is understandable.

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Post  Russell Coker on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:12 pm

Jose,

Can you tell us the name of this particular dwarf hinoki?

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Post  Jose Acuña on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:20 pm

Hi Morten;
Yes I understand.
If you cut back, always keeping green in the branch, the tree will grow back that point . Probably it will help if you do it when the tree it is at a training pot.
Sorry for my English Embarassed . I try to do my best.
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Post  Jose Acuña on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:27 pm

Russell Coker wrote:Jose,

Can you tell us the name of this particular dwarf hinoki?

R

SeKka Hinoki

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Post  Russell Coker on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:28 pm

Thanks, and you English is fine!

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Post  sunip on Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:07 pm

[quote="Jose Acuña"]
morten albek wrote:Jose

Is it not necessary on the shohin either? Will they bud back sufficiently with enough light and air to the inner parts, to keep them the same size over time?



Hi Morten;
I have seen this hinoki only for shohin size.
As I am sure you know, if you keep any tree always like going to a exhibition, the green will not keep near to the trunk. You have to go back and “restart” with branches from time to time.
Regards
Jose

Hy Jose,
What do you mean with "restart with branches from time to time" ? Grafting?
BTW I was more pointing out in my initially question to the other hinoki in the stand next to it at the Noelanders
what is an other kind of hinoki i think.
thanks and regards, Sunip Wink

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Post  Guest on Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:06 pm

Jose Acuña wrote:Hi Morten;
Yes I understand.
If you cut back, always keeping green in the branch, the tree will grow back that point . Probably it will help if you do it when the tree it is at a training pot.
Sorry for my English Embarassed . I try to do my best.
Regards
Jose

Your English is fine. And thank you.

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Post  Jose Acuña on Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:07 pm

sunip wrote:What do you mean with "restart with branches from time to time" ? Grafting?

I mean to cut, and leave only the green closer to the trunk. If you do that and the tree is healthy and strong. You will get new branches in this point.
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Post  sunip on Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:38 pm

Hy Jose,
Thank you for your response.
Regards, Sunip Wink

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