Red Thorn in flower

These photos were taken about a week ago, the tree belongs to John Harris
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As John says its not much of a tree as such but boy its great in flower

Regards Chris

Hi Chris

Yes, the tree is pretty with the flowers....maybe the hight of the crown could be reduced to the half, and maybe this pot, is a bit too heavy.

Kind regards Yvonne

Hi Yvonne,
When we were taking the photos John was asking about the reduction of the apex, I think you are right, and the pot maybe lighter in both color and size.

Regards Chris

Hello,

Very nice tree and the flower is spectacular! What is the scientific name for this variety and what environmental conditions does it depend on? Would it survive in the tropics?

Best Regards,
AK_Panama

Hi AK,
This cratagus "paul's scarlet", a double red hawthorn.
Its not tropical but that does not mean its impossible ,maybe with a good watering plan and watching the amount of direct warm sun?
Give one a go you never know

Regards Chris

Thanks! I´ll look around to see if I can find them...maybe when I get a chance to go up to the mountains again close to the border with Costa Rica where the climate is a bit cooler.

I got some azaleas and fucsias from over there to experiment and see which varieties are more tolerant with the climate down here.

Hi again AK

Just another thing this is a broad leaf tree and natural has a dormant season out of leaf?
I don't if your climate will enable this to happen, be interesting to try

Regards Chris

chris wrote:Hi AK,
This cratagus "paul's scarlet", a double red hawthorn.
Its not tropical but that does not mean its impossible ,maybe with a good watering plan and watching the amount of direct warm sun?
Give one a go you never know

Regards Chris

I have a few of these (mature trees) growing locally and am planning on attempting some air-layering. I guess it is a bit late for this year now though. Do you know if this tree was grown from layering/grafting or what not?

Hi Lee

Not to late to air layer, but do it asap,
this tree is a Japanese import

Regards Chris

chris wrote:Hi again AK

Just another thing this is a broad leaf tree and natural has a dormant season out of leaf?
I don't if your climate will enable this to happen, be interesting to try

Regards Chris

We don´t have many trees down here that go dormant without leaf other than variants of the Guayacán (Tabebuia i think) Can´t have maple as an example...some friends have brought them and they last a season, maybe two, but don´t come back.

AK_Panama wrote:

chris wrote:Hi again AK

Just another thing this is a broad leaf tree and natural has a dormant season out of leaf?
I don't if your climate will enable this to happen, be interesting to try

Regards Chris

We don´t have many trees down here that go dormant without leaf other than variants of the Guayacán (Tabebuia i think) Can´t have maple as an example...some friends have brought them and they last a season, maybe two, but don´t come back.

Thats right AK,,I did have a maple, a yamadori clump with seven trunks that I got from China, it only lasted for two years. These trees can survive a year or two without dormancy then thats it.
Hi Chris, nice to see John and his lovely tree.

I never saw a " Pouls Scarlet" that was not grafted

Hi Yvonne,
I understand what you are saying, but I think it will layer how strong it would be without common stock i don't know

Regards Chris

We have been talking about this species a little in Australia. We also find they ae commonly grafted but the grafts we have found (maybe from same batch ?) are pretty good. Mine is in the ground at the moment with not great growth this year after moving I think I wil give it another year before I chop it.
Great to see this litle tacker in flower it sure does look nice
Oh I doplan on trying some cuttings to see how it goes on it's own roots. Hmm maybe I should layer the top off. Thanks for the idea

Brett Summers wrote:We have been talking about this species a little in Australia. We also find they ae commonly grafted but the grafts we have found (maybe from same batch ?) are pretty good. Mine is in the ground at the moment with not great growth this year after moving I think I wil give it another year before I chop it.
Great to see this litle tacker in flower it sure does look nice
Oh I doplan on trying some cuttings to see how it goes on it's own roots. Hmm maybe I should layer the top off. Thanks for the idea

Brett, please excuse my total ignorance about Australia's geography and climate ranges. What are your seasons like? Do you actually get enough of a cold dormancy period to get a good flowering out of this hawthorn?

Here on the northern Gulf Coast we do get a short cold winter with frosts and freezes. We also have many native hawthorns and their hybrids around. Some of the same species have huge ranges in the eastern part of North America that cover many climate zones. A parsley hawthorn from Illinois would perform poorly here even though I can find the same species growing wild fairly close to Mobile. The same is true for MANY common North American species (flowering dogwood, American beech). I always figured that there weren't enough chill hours in our winter for this particular scarlet hawthorn, but maybe I'm wrong.

Any thoughts?

Hi Russell
Australia is a big place. Most know us for scorching Summer desert plains but we actually have a wide range of climates. Northern Australia is practically in the tropics with warm weather most of the year and Southern Australia is very temperate with hot summers and cold Winters. The more inland you go the more desert like conditions you will find but we also have mountain ranges with snow.
I am some what inland with a temperate climate. So very hot Summers and cold winters but no snow. So I can grow most trees. I can just keep tropicals in a protected area but often bring the better ones inside over Winter.
I would think if it was cold enough for your trees to drop their leaves in Winter then the flowers would come as normal but maybe I don't know