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Post  ogie on Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:33 pm

Hello fellow member,
Can you identify this for me?Here our local people call it philippine hollie or commonly called "kuyos-kuyos"?am still wondering what its scientific name....thanks...Alex/Ogie
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Post  Reynald on Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:00 pm

hello,

mahonia certainly

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Post  ogie on Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:15 pm

Hi Reynald.
you have this tree in your country?it[s a bit thorny,right?thanks
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Post  bonsaisr on Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:19 pm

There is a Mahonia philippinensis. My Oregon grape holly, M. aquifolium, sends regards.
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Post  ogie on Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:51 pm

Thank you...Reynald....Iris
Much appreaiate it
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Post  杰遨-jie on Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:24 am

i have a china girl(Ilex x meserveae) haha^^ is your holly a yamadori?

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Post  ogie on Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:07 am

杰遨-jie wrote:i have a china girl(Ilex x meserveae) haha^^ is your holly a yamadori?

Yes sir,it took me a while to revive it,the wood are quite hard,very thorny but a good one,i was lucky to got the best twisted trunk

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Post  meganmatthew on Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:06 am

These same plant in my garden. I have 't idea how to care it. It is very small plant, I planted it in small pot, I planted this plant at third time. Is there any idea of step to taking care of it?

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Post  ogie on Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:14 am

meganmatthew wrote:These same plant in my garden. I have 't idea how to care it. It is very small plant, I planted it in small pot, I planted this plant at third time. Is there any idea of step to taking care of it?

Hello Meganmatthew,
It needs a lot of feeding,full sun if you can,noy really much to care for it's a very sturdy plant,can you post and share for me to see,thanks a lot
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Alex

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Post  Reynald on Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:02 am


hello,

yes in europe it's an ornamental plant with yellow flowers
I've got one in my garden
perhaps not the same variety

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Post  bonsaisr on Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:10 pm

杰遨-jie wrote:i have a China Girl(Ilex x meserveae) haha^^ is your holly a yamadori?
To clarify: Mahonia, grape holly, is not a holly and is not related. Mahonia belongs to the barberry family. I have never heard of the hardy true hollies (or the hardy Mahonias either) being used for bonsai. Are there any examples?
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Post  bonsaisr on Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:16 pm

meganmatthew wrote:These same plant in my garden. I have 't idea how to care it. It is very small plant, I planted it in small pot, I planted this plant at third time. Is there any idea of step to taking care of it?
Please be specific. Which plant do you mean, Mahonia or Ilex? Where in the USA are you? If you mean Mahonia aquifolium, our Oregon grape holly, it takes part shade. I suggest you plant it in the ground & let it grow.
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Post  bonsaisr on Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:27 pm

Reynald wrote:
yes in europe it's an ornamental plant with yellow flowers
I've got one in my garden
perhaps not the same variety
There are several species and hybrids of Mahonia in France. They are all pretty much alike, except some of the cultivars have big flower clusters.
M. aquifolium has muscled its way in over there, and is considered an invasive weed. Here in the Northeast US, this species turns up occasionally and is well behaved. The birds eat the berries. There is also an eastern species, M. repens, but it is not as attractive.
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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:35 pm

You guys in the tropics really throw us a curve ball when it comes to identifying your trees.

Mahonias have pinnate leaves with opposite leaflets usually in whorls on the tops of stems like Nandina, another member of the barberry family (Berberidaceae). From your pictures I see zig-zaggy twigs with alternate leaves and a thorn at the node. Not a Mahonia, at least like any I've seen, but could be a barberry of some type - or in that family. Then again, this could be way off. Also, I don't think it's an Ilex - never seen one with thorns along the stem, just spiney leaves.

Is the wood yellow?

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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:14 pm

Russell and Ogie,

its Ilex asperalla.
bark is green to yellowish green in color.

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:36 pm

Jun,

Are you sure? I googled Ilex asperella, and there isn't much. I did find http://www.hkflora.com/qef/site_peak/plant/show_plant.php?plantnum=12341 , and I don't see many similarities. I don't know this species and leaves may be variable. P's photo of the trunk certainly looks like a holly, but I keep going back to those spines at the nodes. I've never seen a holly do this, but I'm no holly expert either - especially if it's some obscure tropical species.

I still want to know if the sap and wood are yellow when cut.

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Post  bonsaisr on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:18 pm

If you google on Mahonia philippinensis, I'm pretty sure that's what he's got.
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Post  ogie on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:27 pm

hi Russel,
Yes the wood is a bit light yellow,the texture and smell is quite similar to guava,hardy type,the new leaf, are quite soft and light purple has it mature it turns to green and harden with thorns at the edges,FYIAm confuse cause here in our side thet keep saying Phil. Holly???Thanks Guys for Sharing

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:51 pm

bonsaisr wrote:If you google on Mahonia philippinensis, I'm pretty sure that's what he's got.
Iris

Iris, can you provide the link? I can find info about alkaloids, but no description or pictures. Alex, that yellow sap does point to mahonia/barberry (Berberidaceae). Do you have any pictures of flowers or fruit, or a plant growing wild or in a garden? If this is a tropical mahonia, it is unlike anything we grow here. Just because it's called a "holly" doesn't make it one. Remember, like it was mentioned earlier, we call one of our mahonias "grape holly" because the fruit looks like grapes and the leaves look like holly leaves!

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Post  fiona on Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:22 pm

Just to back up Russell's point about holly-like leaves and grape-like flowers, here's a pic of my garden variety (Mahonia x media in this instance). The stem of berries is just lying on top of the flowers. Most of the berries are long past.



Hope the pic is of some use as I just got absolutely soaked taking it. It's the Scottish monsoon season just now.


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Post  bonsaisr on Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:47 pm

Will this do?
I thought I had seen a picture, but I must have been thinking of the original picture, which is obviously a Mahonia. Let's put this to rest. It is the species he has.
Home > Name Search > Mahonia philippinensis Takeda
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Mahonia philippinensis Takeda
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Group: Dicot Rank: species Herbarium Placement: Lehmann, lower, E, 93

Published In: Notes from the Royal Botanic Garden, Edinburgh 6(29-30): 244, pl. 32, pl. 36, f. 218-222. 1917. (Jan. 1917) (Notes Roy. Bot. Gard. Edinburgh)
Type-Protologue
Locality: Philippine Islands: Luzon: Benguet
Collector and Number: Loher 60
Institution(s): HT: K?
Note: and Elmer 5929; Williams 1460
Higher Taxa: Taxonomy Browser
Concept:
class: Equisetopsida C. Agardh
subclass: Magnoliidae Novák ex Takht.
superorder: Ranunculanae Takht. ex Reveal
order: Ranunculales Juss. ex Bercht. & J. Presl
family: Berberidaceae Juss.
genus: !Mahonia Nutt.
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Post  ogie on Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:10 pm

Russel,

I'll try to get pictures of the flower & fruit for you,van't see much in garden around here,quite rare,difficult tosee in low lying area,but will try,Thanks for the info

Fiona,

Thanks a lot,hope you didn't catch a cold,appreciate much for the picture & info,keep well.

Iris.

Thanks for the extensive details of the specie,we've learned much


Great to be member in this forum,people share a lot & learn from each other
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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:23 pm

bonsaisr wrote:Will this do?
I thought I had seen a picture, but I must have been thinking of the original picture, which is obviously a Mahonia. Let's put this to rest. It is the species he has.

Not so fast, Iris.

Actually, without a picture it won't do for me, but thanks. I haven't seen any picture that is "obviously a Mahonia" (in this thread anyway) as you state. Interestingly, there is a Berberis philippinensis AND a Berberis barandana listed too. Alex's pics don't look like any Mahonia I'm familiar with, but it does look like a Berberis.

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:19 am

Russell,
there's a new specie here of Ilex endemic to the Philippines found and listed in the early 80's, which got the same characteristics as the one we used in bonsai. I got lots of these philippine holy specie in my nursery.

Il do more research here (locally) though.

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Post  ogie on Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:17 am

Hi Russell,
will await for you guys help,the one Fiona posted is quite differnt from what i have,i doubt if it's a Philippine holly,lots of people around here name it that waystill a big ???? to me
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Alex

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