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Post  Karl Thier on Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 pm

I want you two show my Acer campestre tree sculptures. The first is called Octopus and the second the tree cavity.

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Post  Walter Pall on Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:30 am

Karl, your trees are so incredibly ugly and unorthodox. They are in traditional and boring and beautiful pots. I think this is a mistake. They should be in ugly unorthodox pots or on stones.

How come Austrians have such bad taste?





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Post  SOUMYA MITRA on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:00 am

Hi Karl, after quite some i saw your crations here. May be i missed in the meantime. To me you are one of the masters of larch bonsai -yamadories collected from Swiss Alps and converted to beautiful Bonsai. The beautiful Bali visit pics that you posted earlier are still fresh in my mind. These present compositions
( perfect emphasis /balance of tree& pot )are fine example of your creative talent .I don like the virtual pots shown to your post. it de-emphasize the tree . the half round pot it seems to me is loud and may ding-dong like a pendulam.
I also did not relish the rude remarks made to you -not to my taste even in friendly banter.

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Post  Walter Pall on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:19 am

Soumya,

I will never forget first day first class first hour on art school. On the black board it was written in capital letters:
ART HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEAUTY.
And then the teacher said 'never forget this for a second if you want to be an artist'.

If an artist under this understanding is accused of 'ugly', 'tasteless', 'in bad taste' creations it is a compliment among the art school insiders. If they say 'what you are doing is so beautiful' they mean its kistsch, it's of bad taste, it is commercial, it is art prostitution.

So this is exactly the contrary notion of what the general bonsai crowd thinks. I was being very kind to Karl, who understands very well what this is all about.

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Post  Guest on Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:33 pm

hi walter.

dont you think a long slab container would do justice to these trees?. it looks like a landscape penjing.

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Post  Walter Pall on Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:52 pm

jun,

sure, a long slab would be great - better than the traditional pots imho. Someone care to make a virtual? Karl?

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Post  JimLewis on Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:32 pm

The "cavity" is a great composition. I'm a bit less enthusiastic about the octopus (not seeing anything octopussish in it), but that's probably just me. The existing pots don't bother me particularly. They're rather plain so don't steal the eye like those bowls later on do. The cavity would, however, look nice on a simple slate slab. Please, though, none of those ostentatious marble thingies.

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Post  Guest on Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:56 pm

the natural looking slab with moss would be perfect, i think.

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Post  Todd Ellis on Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:12 pm

Your trees are awesome. Great material! IMHO, the words ugly and grotesque are synonomous with beautiful and capturing! I like Walter's ideas of complimentary ugly pots.
Salut, Todd

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:28 pm

Very fresh design and very inspirational!

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Post  SOUMYA MITRA on Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:02 pm

MR. Walter Pall, thank you for the fine enlightenment on artistic vocabulary
( to me now it seems tongue -in -the -cheek- Austrian humour !).
It reminds me that in Bengal , my home state in India there is a proverb in Bengali which means " to praise in disguise of insult" .
Such poetic usage in epitomed in a long verbal duel between Lord Shiva and his wife Parvati- where the
words that were used have double and opposite meaning- but that is a long story - which other may not be interested in.
I find your clarification quite interesting and true to your style . Thank you so much.
soumya

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Post  Karl Thier on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:12 pm

Walter Pall wrote:Karl, your trees are so incredibly ugly and unorthodox. They are in traditional and boring and beautiful pots. I think this is a mistake. They should be in ugly unorthodox pots or on stones.

How come Austrians have such bad taste?

Hi Walter, thanks for your compliments. Wink
For these trees to find a suitable pot is not easy. Nebari the Kraken is 45 cm and 70 cm from the tree cavity. I think there in the future for the octopus a suitable pot.

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The Kracken

Post  Rob Kempinski on Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:10 pm

Nice designs Karl.

I am working on a Kraken also (BTW Octopus is probably not the best English translation of "the Kraken," Sea Monster might be better).

Mine is a Indian Laurel Fig (Ficus microcarpa) The pot is 22 inches across.

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Post  Jim Doiron on Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:20 am

Here you go. I do think since they feel little more like penjing that the large flat slab would be better. I really enjoy the trees thanks for sharing.


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Post  fiona on Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:36 am



This to me is amost the perfect combination. It is a splendid tree, Karl, but in my VERY humble opinion it was rendered a bit non-descript by the original pot. Walter's stone makes for a wonderful unity which lifts both tree and "pot" into the realms of work of art.

Quite exquisite.


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:51 am

Walter - it is - Beauty is Truth Unhidden - Beauty can be terrible and awesome, not just pretty. In the world of Art, you will see all the aspects of Beauty. Trouble is Truth and Reality in a painting are not the same.

Carl, I often discourage the use of the word, Sculpture when applied to Bonsai, because of the long intellectual discussions that will spring up, as to what Sculpture is.

That said, visually very satisfying images. Wish I could see them in the flesh.
Thanks for showing.
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Post  Andrija Zokic on Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:39 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:
Carl, I often discourage the use of the word, Sculpture when applied to Bonsai, because of the long intellectual discussions that will spring up, as to what Sculpture is.

Bonsai IS sculpture. There is no doubt about that.
Is this sculpture? - http://biginjapan.com.au/2010/09/weed-control/ Yes it is!
"Sculpture is three-dimensional artwork created by shaping or combining hard materials, typically stone such as marble, metal, glass, or wood, or plastic materials such as clay, textiles, polymers and softer metals. The term has been extended to works including sound, text and light."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:04 pm

Andrija,

try thinking about the impermanence of a bonsai as regards styling. So if you hit an optimum point, and the tree eventually grows beyond it. You need a photograph or some sort of image to remind the viewer of the glory that once was.

Do you know how many elderly people I have been around who start statements with [ about their trees ] - you know it used to be better.

Do you know what the does to a person internally, and with no such visual proof ?
Better to try your hand at stone or wood or something more lasting.

Sorry, my stand against the use of the word, deals with the man/woman and his/her spirit and not intellectual debates.
Thanks for replying.
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Post  Andrija Zokic on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:22 pm

This is not lasting and you need a photograph or some sort of image to remind the viewer of the glory that once was, or it will rotten, or it will dissolve, or will be blown by the wind ... :
http://www.google.com/images?q=land+art&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1638&bih=830

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:38 pm

Andrija,

In times [ or zones ] of lesiure, man's mind turns to keeping itself occupied. What's it about decadence?

Remember, I am talking about an individual caring for a living thing, totally dependent on it's survival from the individual. The bond.
AND the effect the impermance has on the person, while they try to relate to others about things past.
- It once looked like that -
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Post  Rob Kempinski on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:50 pm

Andrija Zokic wrote:This is not lasting and you need a photograph or some sort of image to remind the viewer of the glory that once was, or it will rotten, or it will dissolve, or will be blown by the wind ... :
http://www.google.com/images?q=land+art&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1638&bih=830

The laws of thermodynamics tell us that nothing is permanent.

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Post  Guest on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:06 pm

I share a stand every year with a good friend of mine who is a sculptor. He produces fantastic and dark sculptures made from what he finds in the forest. Part of the art process, is the gradual decay and mortality of the pieces.

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Post  Guest on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:11 pm

Some people will pay quite a sum of money for these, even though they have a limited life. Sorry to hijack your thread Karl, your work is excellent.

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:15 pm

Yes Will, and he is mentally adjusted to deal with the impermance or is he ?
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Post  Guest on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:31 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Yes Will, and he is mentally adjusted to deal with the impermance or is he ?
Khaimraj
???

Paul has been making these for over 20 years. I think he may have moved onto stone or steel if he couldn't deal with the impermanance. Mentally adjusted?.....Well theres another story.

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