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Post  Guest on Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:23 pm

Hi


Im trying my "luck" now on rocks.

these two are my beginners rock.
guidance and advice on this art are definitely needed by me.

rock 1-




rock 2



regards,
jun


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Re: my starter rocks

Post  peterbrod on Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:19 pm

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Re: my starter rocks

Post  Chris Cochrane on Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:47 pm

I like Peter's Japanese-style daiza design very much. He is VERY accomplished in both designing and carving these.

The stone, however, does not look like a Japanese-style suiseki. Though the form has contours which are fine for a "coastal rock" (alternatively seen as a "massive rock"-- especially when on a daiza), the deep black, wet limestone with calcite inclusions looks Chinese Lingbi-style in material composition. Many of Peter's personal stones look more Chinese (processed Lingbi stones) in-material rather than Japanese. A fine daiza thus gets a lot of attention while the stone of inadequate material (for suiseki) arguably is dismissed. This stone looks better than many examples in a daiza for its uncommon contour (coastal/massive rock rather than single-peak mountain view).

Rather than mount it on a daiza, I would consider mounting it vertically (preferably on a Chinese-style stand) with the the heaviest end pointing upward. There is probably a better side to display for mounting it vertically. I would prefer a more natural surface than the deep-black, wetted (perhaps acid-cleaned, highly-scrubbed, actually-wet or artificially-wetted surface) that looks processed, but the processed surface is often chosen in China to display similar stones.

As viewing stones, it is best to be open to any combination of seating and stone-- especially in regard to a scenic view or natural object. Peter beautifully mounts stones. He is less open to Chinese scholar rock expression, though he is also very good with modern-style stands. That is okay if you only mount stones that look like suiseki, but not so good for mounting stones that look a lot like Lingbi stones.

Lingbi stones that have quiet contours like suiseki are available for mounting. Mounting them must follow quiet suiseki mounting aesthetics, dynamic Chinese scholar rock aesthetics or modern-style that might not be associated with either tradition. All three options should be in your consideration.

Here is a stone from Virginia that could be processed to appear wet & black. I will likely leave the surface as it is and mount it vertically, though it has an interesting mountain shape that could be mounted more distinctively as "arches over water," which occur in both Japanese and Chinese landscape stones. The "arches over water" would be an easier seat to construct, and I'd choose Chinese styling rather than diaza styling because the stone looks more Chinese in material composition. Alternatively, I'd choose a modern style seating.

Front for Chinese-style vertically mounting (though it is on its back):


Front for horizontal ("arches in water" or "mountain") mounting:

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Post  peterbrod on Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:57 pm

me,the stone appears to be of vulkanic origin,probablynot suitable for suiseki quality,with a natural glosswithout polisching and water,form near toyama ischi Very Happy

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Post  Chris Cochrane on Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:16 pm

We agree that it is not suiseki, Peter, and I'd add that processing would take it further from suiseki appreciation, if that is possible.

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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:17 am

Thank you guys.

I got to review your lessons for me for the day...its too much info for me. scratch study but I will absorb it word for word in due time. i guess i got to read a ton of books from now on.

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jun

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Post  Chris Cochrane on Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:28 am

Hi Jun... On October 11th, I shared recommendations on English-language books & websites that can help in understanding of suiseki. Check-out the IBC Stone Forum thread titled, "Re: My version of cave-like mountain...pls enjoy [Link is HERE]." There are many other books and websites but those listed are a good start for basic information.

California Aiseki Kai very recently added its October newsletter, which should not be missed by serious international suiseki enthusiasts. Peter Aradi, who has been IBC's frequent contributor to stone discussion since the mid-1990s, is among authors in this month's edition.

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Re: my starter rocks

Post  Ka Pabling on Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:06 pm

Hi Jun
Welcome to the "stone world" I am sure you will enjoy it.

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