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Post  moyogijohn on Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:19 pm



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My elms pruned for winter

Post  moyogijohn on Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:31 pm

This is all the elm trees i have posted befor...I have pruned them all for the last time this year.. notice i removed the parts of the lower branches that was suggested by some foram members..i hope theh look better now..the small one is the one that the front of the trunk was dead..the live vain is all in the back...feedback please,thank you john

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:14 am

John,

for your last image before the writing. Clip and grow, with wire to pull down the back branch and perhaps a nick on the side to initiate the back branch [ the upper branch with the wire attached to it, plus rubber to protect ].
Just a quick sketch.
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Post  moyogijohn on Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:31 am

khaimraj,,Thank you for your suggestion on the back branch..that is a good idea it will make a fuller pad...the drawing looks good,,i will try to go with that..thanks again john

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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:21 pm

John,

Hi.
When I pruned my elm trees. I defoliate the trees also, then remove or cut the tiny branches on the elms... I am not sure about your climate though, if there will be some adverse effect on your elms. but my elms rejuvenate after that process and the ramification speeds up better.

here is one elm I defoliated a week ago. photo taken before rewiring and cutting of small tip branches. this one got new shoots now all fresh and young. il post the photo for you with young leaves as soon as I returned to my nursery.




the small twigs/ branches were mostly removed. these were grown within just 7 months.



I hope this tip with elms help you grows your lovely elms better.

regards,
jun





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Post  my nellie on Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:34 pm

Hello all!
Jun, you mean that you do not let the leaves drop naturally. Why is that, may I ask? Elms are deciduous, aren't they?
Perhaps, the reason is your climate conditions there in the Philippines.... And now you are waiting for new leaves to sprout. Are these elms of yours going to leaf out any time?


PS : John, excuse me for all these questions sneaking into your post.... Embarassed But you see, I am wondering about my elm, too.

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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:20 pm

Alexandra,

Hi.
You are absolutely right. Elms are not local specie, here they got leaves all year round. thats why I defoliate my elms at least once a year to mimic the natural cycle. and like I said, they seems to be much happier and healthier that way. otherwise, all you get are very long thin branches not proportioned to the trunk and main branches and very dark olive green leaves.
I take into consideration the origin of my imported trees, even local trees coming from other regions...then mimic their cycle of life as much as I could. this is the reason why ask John if he is not defoliating his trees and if he is in the region/zone where his elms are in its natural cycle.

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jun study Smile

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:30 pm

Jun,

with Zone 6, John might have to unheated greenhouse his trees. Southern Chinese elms for export, if that is what John has, are supposed to come from warm valleys with heavy mulch layers around the roots, even though they experience winter.
Sort of like the sageretia image I saw years ago, with all the snow on the shrub.

But I think John wanted feed back on his efforts.
How about another one of those special Jun sketches.
Until.
Khaimraj

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Post  moyogijohn on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:41 pm

JUN,,That is one nice looking tree you have!! I live in west virginia zone 6 so the leaves will fall on there own.. I do have a small green house i put my outside trees in..here we have snow and the temps go to single digets so i protect them but do not keep the house too warm.. hope this makes sence to you..thanks for posting take care john

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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:46 pm

Khaimraj,

thanks for the info, got to store the input in my memory bank, it will come in handy someday.
sorry for the sketch... I did one already today for Rex tree...already hit the quota for the day.
Sad Evil or Very Mad but tomorrow i will for our friend John... i like your design by the way, its very workable specially for elms.

regards,
jun

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Post  moyogijohn on Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:35 pm

My Nellie,,thats is fine that you posted all of us want information me the most..JUN,I forgot to ask where do you get all those nice elm trees?? being in the tropics i would think you inport them,,such good trees you have to work with..thanks everyone for your post..john

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Post  my nellie on Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:14 pm

Very kind of you, John!
Jun, Khaimraz, thank you for the information!

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Post  moyogijohn on Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:32 am

Khaimraj ,, the suggestion for the branch in your sketch,,,I tried to move the branch today,,it will not move at all just trying to bend it by hand.. i think it would look good but maybe it is too thick i don,t know thanks john

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Please DO nothing until repotting and one month later in spring.

Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:08 am

Hi John,

two suggestions. For Late Spring.

[1] It's an elm, you need to change your thinking. Not bending, cutting. In spring, 1 month or so after re-potting, feed well for about 2 months. Then cut the head back to about 2 inches. Since I don't know the height of this particular tree, I cannot give you a more exact measurement. The cut and the fertilizer programme will give the elm the ability to resprout.

[2] Afraid to do this, no fuss. Do this instead. Wait a year more and keep feeding well. Grow a few rooted cuttings from the tree and experiment on them.

If you have a friend who is an expert on elms, they can also help you along.

Don't do anything other than maintain your elms, until spring. The most you might achieve is just damaging your trees.
I sent the diagram to show you what you could do, I never expected you to start before spring. affraid

We can work together in spring as the mother of all my elms needs some work in spring as well.
Stay Tuned.
Khaimraj

* I am also airlayering an import which I felt sorry for and paid $$$$ for. It is a hopeless shape, the crappy curve going nowhere shape. I am such a sucker for Southern Chinese Commercialsai Elms. Rolling Eyes

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Post  my nellie on Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:57 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote: ... ... Southern Chinese Commercialsai Elms. Rolling Eyes
Inventive! Very Happy

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Post  moyogijohn on Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:51 pm

THANK YOU Khaimraj for that post,,I was not going to do anything to any of the trees be for spring..i was just checking that branch..i know it is time for a rest peroid for them all here..in spring we can start againand have so more fun!!! thanks again take care john

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:04 pm

Your most welcome John.
Khaimraj

* I can always take some more time and draw a more considerate image, if you wish. Smile
Would need the size though. Trunk, height and so on.

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Post  moyogijohn on Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:39 pm

KHAIMRAJ I hate to keep bothering you about these trees.. you asked for the size of the tree,,it is 25 inches tall from the soil,,and 2 3/4 inches wide 2 inches above the base..if you want to draw a sketch that is fine but don,t take away from your own work..you have your own trees to worry about...thanks take care john

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:07 pm

John,

I am a Fine Artist, I draw for a living Laughing

Additionally, in trying to find solutions for your tree, I find answers for mine, simply because you have a different situation to deal with. This forces me to see anew each time.

Apart from getting up before 5.30 a.m to water by hand and after 4.30 p.m, these children behave themselves, and I am not presently exhibiting, so everyone is just being maintained, with general pruning.
If I were exhibiting, those selected would be on a 3 year or so preparation schedule.
I have some spare time to play. Which is why you didn't see me for a few years before. Very busy.
Until.
Thanks for the info.
Khaimraj

* You should really be working on branch lengthening to thicken that trunk, if you are following the traditional rules for what makes a tree and not on branchlets, by the way.

1 inch per 6 or 5 inches of height. 6 for grace, 5 for stout.

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:16 am

John,

saw your request to Jun for a place to get better elms.

Here is how you do it. Take a root that has started to grow, cut a barrel [ 55 gal US ] in half fill it with a well draining soil. Place for a balanced exposure to sun, gentle breezes. Tend for about 6 months.
When I do that down here I get a small six foot tree, with a three inch trunk. Cut and then prepare for the next stage, the first three branches. I usually get the 6 needed in the second year.

If you did this repeatedly, you would probably get the first 3 branches in the first year and the 3 inch trunk.

The problem. Without winter to slow the elm down, it quickly out grows the design and if you have several, it becomes problematic.
I got bored and just gave up on really growing elms.

This is why I shifted to sageretia. Easier to control.

Sometimes fast growth is not an asset.
Have fun.
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Post  Guest on Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:57 am

Hi John,

i think it it wiser to post my drawings here also.
two of the elms i have drawn came from your photos, the smallest one you can but it. just the smallest "s" elm you can find. for scale on size, I used your wooden fence as reference.






You can also used shallow oval pot, if you could find marble slab at low cost it would be perfect.
just adjust the trees spacing depending on the size of your shallow pot.

i hope you like my suggestion.

regards,
jun

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Post  moyogijohn on Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:12 pm

JUN,,I am sorry,i must have worded that post wrong..what i ment was i have the trees i can afford from this nursery and would like to know where others get nice trees like you have..the sketches you made look really good formakeing a forest style with the trees i have but i had triple by pass open heart surgery and can,t lift something that big!!no one here cares about my trees to help so i am on my own..i would like to have one but don,t know what i would do with it....nice job and thank you john

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Post  moyogijohn on Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:16 pm

JUN AND KHAIMRAJ,,,I really enjoy your comments and drawings for my trees..the things that the both of you could do with them..wish i had the weather you have that would speed things up..thank you both very much for spending your time working on them..take care,,thanks again john

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