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Post  landerloos on Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:02 pm

I am posting this for my dear friend Yvonne Graubæk.



I am happy to join the BCI 2010 China Tour....I look a lot forward to spend many days with people very dedicated to the stones.
I want to show you my stones, collected in Denmark.
All daisa are carved by me.
I also have stones from China and Japan, I will show them on an another occasion

Greetings from Yvonne








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from danish with pride

Post  ogie on Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:47 pm

greetings yvone,
very nice stone,keep posting looking foward to it,
best regards,
alex Smile

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:31 pm

We look forward to meeting you in China. Only one week away. Bag is mostly packed and ready to go to a local grocery store to weight, must stay under the limit.

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Post  Guest on Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:10 am

Thanks Alex
I hope to make nice pictures of my foreign stones during the winter, now I just wanted to show my danish stones, as they are closest to my hart....picture of the black stone, could show the stone better, sorry, I must try to improve.
Look forward to see many stones from arround the world on IBC.

Billy, I look forward to meet you, I am packing only very light clothes. And bring a weight, i case, my suitcase is about to gain a very high weight on a market, or in a shop.

Yvonne

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hello yvone

Post  ogie on Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:15 pm

hello again yvone,
looking foward to your other stone to post,take a visit at my site OGIE im from the philippines,give me your comment for me to improve also
regards
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Post  Lone on Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:23 pm

[quote="landerloos"]I am posting this for my dear friend Yvonne Graubæk.

I am happy to join the BCI 2010 China Tour....I look a lot forward to spend many days with people very dedicated to the stones.
I want to show you my stones, collected in Denmark.
All daisa are carved by me.
I also have stones from China and Japan, I will show them on an another occasion

Greetings from Yvonne


Hi Yvonne - great stones, you have and have a very nice trip to China - hope you see some fine fabric - (and bring it home - you can always pack it around the stones. bounce bounce bounce greatiings Lone


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Post  Guest on Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:41 pm

Dear Lone

Everything for you, my dear friend. sunny
And yes, I am sure it will be a great trip.

Kind regards Yvonne

And Ogie....I will take a look soon. Smile

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Post  landerloos on Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:47 am

I wish you a very nice trip aswell Yvonne, dont get to "stoned" Wink Very Happy
Talk to you soon.

Kind regards
Peter (who did see some very nice yamadori)

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Post  Chris Cochrane on Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:56 pm

Thanks for sharing, Yvonne. Thanks for helping your friend share on IBC's Stone Forum, Peter.

The stones are refreshing and different with close fitting daiza & nice stands.

The footed stand under the single black stone is exceptional. With its 8 sides, it can be used in display with a wide variety of differently shaped stands under other objects. Its style recalls Buddhist platforms for sitting/zazen as well as stone platforms for important buildings with edge carvings of repeated inset medallions (usually kouzama in style/contour).

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Post  Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:10 pm

First, THANKS Peter Wink Smile

Dear Chris

I am very pleased you like my daisas, I enjoy very much making them.
It is very difficult to find good stones in Denmark, and the brown and the black stone, are the only ones, I find really nice, from all sides.
I normaly display the black stone in a suiban, but used the stand this time, as I think the stone is nicly ballanced, and I wanted to show the elegant way it rests.

I bought the stand in Kyoto last year, and it cost me as much as the tip of a jetplane....It is very old, and is carved out of one piece of wood.
Thank you for telling me the story about tha shape, very nice to know.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Chris Cochrane on Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:26 pm

Hi Yvonne... Continue to share your own expression when displaying this stand. The quality of the footed table/stand is obvious-- with pierced windows, slightly worn/high-quality material, repetition of fine carving details and modesty in style & feeling. It appeals to thin, astringent (shibui) taste. I thought about 'openings through a low rail on the side of a boat,' too, with this stand; but that is more a personal feeling. The Buddhist platform/pedestal allusion is described as one of two great origins of traditional Chinese furniture in the book Classic Chinese Furniture: Ming and Early Qing Dynasties by Shixiang Wang. You can "search inside" the book on-line using the term "Buddhist platform" to see if you think it fits.

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Post  Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:54 pm

Chris Cochrane wrote:Hi Yvonne... Continue to share your own expression when displaying this stand. The quality of the footed table/stand is obvious-- with pierced windows, slightly worn/high-quality material, repetition of fine carving details and modesty in style & feeling. It appeals to thin, astringent (shibui) taste. I thought about 'openings through a low rail on the side of a boat,' too, with this stand; but that is more a personal feeling. The Buddhist platform/pedestal allusion is described as one of two great origins of traditional Chinese furniture in the book Classic Chinese Furniture: Ming and Early Qing Dynasties by Shixiang Wang. You can "search inside" the book on-line using the term "Buddhist platform" to see if you think it fits.

Hi Chris

I will certanly look up the " Buddist platform", as it is very interesting.

I really, really like the stand, and this is why I bouhgt it, even though it was far too expensive for me.

But I find it hard to use, as the stand demands attension.
I have some nice shohin, and stones, but the stand outshines...

The stand has a deep pollish, high quality old heavy wood, not worn at all, and no scratch is to be found, but is rich on patina, it do not appear as fragile at all, maybe it looks modest on the photo, but it is not. It came in its own wooden box, had no signature.
In Tokyo I saw a big "windswept" hutstone, I think this stone would have mached the stand, I still dream about it.
In my home I exhibit the stand without anything on it.
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Post  Chris Cochrane on Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:35 pm

The description you see is very accurate-- e.g., 'not worn' though the patina is aged. Showing a stand that displays well on its own without an object is elegant & practical.

Your Danish stones are very nice though it is difficult to make-out the detail of several in the tiered stand. The presentation is good, too.

I hope you will continue sharing objects connected to suiseki (or other stones) and your impressions of them.

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Post  Guest on Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:51 pm

Thanks for your answers Chris...maybe I should show the small stones one at the time, but it has to wait a little, as I go to China on the tour on monday, are you going too? Smile

Kind regards Yvonne Yvonne

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Post  Guest on Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:56 pm

Hello Yvonne. Lovely display. Do you still make little felt daisa for your stones?

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Post  Guest on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:06 am

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Dear Will
So, you remeber my firts daisas Smile ...It was 3 years ago, I tried for the first time to make daisas...I was not happy about using a dremel, and thought felt was my thing...
I had great joy making them. Sinse then, have I learned a lot about stones, and I also learned how to use the dremel. I do not call theese stones suiseki, or viuvingstones anymore, but keept them, as I think they are pretty.
Comments on the daisas are is welcome.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Guest on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:09 am

Sorry...beginnerproblems

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:14 am

Yvonne

Glad to see you home. Carla and I are still recovering from jet lag.

I have to get started on daisas for the two stones I brought home.

Billy

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Post  Guest on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:39 am

Hey Billy

Please send photos of your new stones, I would like to see them....I bought some stones too, two of them is without the daisa, so I must back in business with the dremel again ( love it).
Going back home from Beijin, did I have the pleassure of flying with the new giant airplane from " Lufthansa", it has more space for every person...as I arrived Back home in Denmark, I had a fever, and was sleeping for two days, so I guess, I missed out the jetlag Smile
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Post  Chris Cochrane on Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:38 pm

Hi Yvonne... Thanks for sharing, Yvonne. I like your felt upholstered seats very much, yet wonder why you wouldn't call the compositions viewing stones. Do you see a viewing stone limited in its seating options? The only limitation I'd imagine is misappropriating a traditional style seat for a stone that doesn't fit the limits of tradition, but even that is often seen.

Traditional stands under stones that are not traditional request the viewer to see the stone as of-the-tradition (e.g., Chinese scholar rock or Japanese suiseki) to draw conclusion of its aesthetics & meaning. It vastly affects reception.

By crafting a stand roughly in daiza-style (not larger than necessary to support the stone & mostly tucked under it rather than extending beyond the stones footprint), you express respect for daiza tradition & suggest looking at the stones as suiseki in aesthetic & meaning. By using felt as upholstery of the seating, you express respect for stones not necessarily in suiseki tradition & displayed as modern.

You might have done this because of inability to craft daiza worthy of public display at the time, but I still would find these choices for your stones as ideal for viewing stones that reflect suiseki taste without being close examples to suiseki because of material composition, color et al.. Contemporary adaptations of suiseki style, such as putting stones on boxes rather than footed stands or boards/mats is arguably a viewing stone aesthetic embracing wider varieties of stones & of mounting. Creativity and good taste as well as contemporary expression in mounting is important.

Your felt-upholstered "daiza" are expressive & functional. They will always be the stone's "first wife," even if another seating is later contemplated.

In the summer of 1997, owners of viewing stones in the USA's Potomac/Mid-Atlantic region had a stone exhibit at the National Bonsai & Penjing Museum (Washington DC USA). Several stones gathered in selection for the exhibit were on temporary stands of foam or placed in pots with flexible sides that were distracting & tacky. Coordinators insisted that the better stones using these odd supports be covered in dark gray or black cloth, and the result was strikingly austere & effective. An established club, the Ameriseki Group, had stones to share for the exhibit in classically carved daiza, and a few folks now in Potomac Viewing Stone Group carved their first daiza, shizuo or modern seating for stones in this exhibit. Frankly, there was no distinction felt about the resulting seats in the display except envy of some carvers' skill, which should not have been a display focus but was carefully noted.

Today, most people want to follow the tradition of daiza or suiban mounting for suiseki and assert each stone falling within tradition. For viewing stone expression, that is not necessarily the best choice. Among favored stones in Potomac Viewing Stone exhibits which continue annually at the Museum, one gets chosen as for a poster at the exhibit entrance. That stone is as likely to be mounted non-traditionally as traditionally. It is the stone and seating combination working together that informs the viewer.

When headliners of the recent International Stone Appreciation Symposium in Hershey PA USA evaluated stones exhibited by participants in critiques, Toy Sato and Seiji Morimae expressed opposite limits of suiseki expression. Mrs. Sato expected stones to meet broadly accepted criteria that should never be compromised. For Toy Sato, adherence to traditional form is at heart of genuine suiseki expression. Mr. Morimae found fault less easily and promoted stones for what they expressed while barely noting glaring exceptions from the standard. He expressed feelings rising from stone presentations even when stones were less than ideal & suggested alternatives to improve use of space & accessories. Both were complimentary of display options which worked, but Mr. Morimae was arguably more focused on subjective expression while Mrs. Sato was focused of objective stone form. This is similar to the distinctions Hideo Marushima finds as controlling the reception of bonsai in the article "History of Bonsai" Classic Bonsai of Japan.

Thanks for sharing, Yvonne.

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Post  ogie on Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:59 am

hi Yvonne...
thanks fot sharing tour stones...
regards,
alex

hi Chris,
thanks for the insight,we have much to learn in the field of stone appreciation,it's always so good to have deeper education for it.
regards,
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Post  Guest on Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:33 pm

Chris, Thank you, for your letter. Very nice with response from a person, who has seen, not only chinese and japanese displays, and thought about it ....I still have a lot to learn, so, I am a happy reciver.

And Ogie...Yes you are right.

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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:29 pm

Allmost a year has gone, since I posted on this topic. And I see the first photos is gone....If you dont remember the stones, and want to see them, can I post the photos again.....

Yesterday, I was by the beach near my home......I have never really paid much attension to paterstones. But being on this site for so long, have oppened up, for more interest....wich is very nice Smile .
Why I have not found paternstones before, is because, I have problems with expressing what I feel...and want a mountain to be a mountainstone.
Reading all your expressions, and feelings on IBC has been nice....
Now I would be happy, if you will tell me, what you see in the found stones...The stones may be a bit stained, as they have not been cleaned..But they look clean to me.

Stone nr. 1

Stone nr. 2



Stone nr. 3



Stone nr. 4



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Post  trantanhung_nt on Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:08 pm

Hello Yvonne ,
I enjoyed it and like all 4 stones ,
Them to me many emotions with pleasant memories ( Stone No 1 , 3 and 4 ) . A stone No 2 , it suggests a belief or a powerful hope .
Many thanks to you .
Sincerely ,
Hưng - Trần .

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