Yamadori or Shimagi for pemphis acidula

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Yamadori or Shimagi for pemphis acidula

Post  Guest on Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:47 pm

Hi IBC friends,

i got this question lingering in my mind for a long time now. almost all the people i know who talks about pemphis acidula is calling it "yamadori" or the best "yamadori" tree, which means tree collected from mountain (pls correct me if im wrong) like the typical pines of europe, US, japan etc which are all truly "yamadori".. what i understand about almost all of pemphis acidula especially here in south east asia, the specie are collected from islands therefore it should be called "SHIMAGI"-collection from islands and not "YAMADORI"-collection from mountains? again please do correct me if im wrong. or if im asking a naive question.

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jun study study scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch

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Re: Yamadori or Shimagi for pemphis acidula

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:05 pm

Good point, however, many Bonsai people use "Yamadori" to mean any collected tree. Here in the US we speak of "Urban Yamadori" which mean plants collected from landscapes around homes. Frequently here in the US people will remove old shrubs, etc. and replace with new as the home gets older, has not been cared for, or is being sold. It is easier to rip out old plants and plant new ones from the nursery to fix up the appearance of a house, rather than work with the old shrubs to bring them back to looking good. One fellow in the Vero Beach, FL area specializes is removing Bougenvilla that have gotten out of hand, then reselling them as Bonsai subjects.
I don't think many people would understand "shimagi."

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Yamadori or Shimagi for pemphis acidula

Post  Guest on Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:10 pm

Hello Jun. I think the term yamadori is used more as a generic term in the West, for any tree collected from the wild, especially in areas with no mountains. It as much describes the quality of a tree, rather than the elevation. Some people use the term uban yamadori for trees collected from the garden. I prefer to use the word collected tree myself.

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Re: Yamadori or Shimagi for pemphis acidula

Post  Guest on Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:18 pm

Billy,

thanks.
"Urban Yamadori" thats new to me. we have here "stolen yamadori"- plants gathered from neighbors yard without permission and while the neighbor is away..
but the problem is that pemphis is a "shimagi", it is like im bringing an "ASO" (dog) to other country then other people will call an "aso" right?, then if bring a big "PUSA" (cat) to that country and i didnt tell them its called "PUSA" will they acccept it as "ASO" because i didnt tell them its "PUSA", which is clearly it is not.
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Re: Yamadori or Shimagi for pemphis acidula

Post  Guest on Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:27 pm

Will,

thanks.
sometimes japanese words are translated differently when it reaches other shores.
i knew it!! we should have called it "shimagi" a long time ago, we missed the opportunity to have our own defined term for our bonsai here in south east asia, different from other regions. Crying or Very sad

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