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Post  bonsaistud on Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:38 am

G'Day Bonsai Friends...

Attention All Ye Who Enter: My humble apologies...the name "Kishi" used throughout this thread, is wrong. The name should be "KISHU". My error. (added 8/28/2010)

This "Kishu" was acquired at the CSBA event this past February. It had been ignored for some time.

The first order of business was a general cleanup including...removal of dead growth, removal of wire that had been on too long, and, potting up to a larger size training pot. I had discovered during the cleanup, that the tree was totally rootbound. The repotting was done with as little disturbance as possible to the roots.

I have been using a household ice pick to aerate the roots.

Proper repotting will be done in the Spring...

Tree deminsions: 8" tall, 7" wide. trunk 3/4".

Any and all comments will be welcome...the good, the bad and the ugly...

So my friends...let me have it...

The first photo is the front...second is the back...

Pat...On his trusty steed, riding off wildly in all directions...






Last edited by bonsaistud on Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:27 pm; edited 4 times in total (Reason for editing : Change name to "Kishu".)

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Re: Shohin Shimpaku "Kishu"

Post  fiona on Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:29 am

Pat. Can you give us the dimensions of this tree please? Height? breadth? diameter of trunk?

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:48 pm

I really like the shape.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:57 pm

fiona wrote:Pat. Can you give us the dimensions of this tree please? Height? breadth? diameter of trunk?

Thanks

Fiona - I think you are still thinking about Sir Chris. - The dimensions are in the post. Smile


Seems like the pot is a bit big and green glaze .... but I see you are repotting in spring. Might make a nice little tree.

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Post  Martin S on Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:50 pm

Jepp!
The "little to oversized Pot" (sorry for my poor school English) and his colour will mind me a little bit, but size and shape are nice!
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Shohin Shimpaku "Kishi"

Post  bonsaistud on Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:59 pm

G'Day Bonsai Friends...

To all ye who enter: a couple of comments.

First...Fiona, thank you for pointing out, to me, my omission. Your request was my command...deminsions have been added to the original text.

Next...as stated above, demensions were added after Fiona's request.

Last...the pot, no matter what else it may be, is simply a temporary training pot...to aid the handling of the rootbound condition.

Finally, thank you Fiona, Billy, Rob and Martin, for your comments.

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Post  fiona on Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:07 pm

bonsaistud wrote: To all ye who enter: a couple of comments.

First...Fiona, thank you for pointing out, to me, my omission. Your request was my command...dimensions have been added to the original text.

Next...as stated above, demensions were added after Fiona's request.


See Rob! I'm was not thinking of the size of the quads of a certain Scottish cycling Olympian! Well not at the point of writing my post anyway flutter eyelashes

And Pat, demented dimensions?

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Post  fiona on Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:25 pm

Anyway. My comments re the tree. Bags of potential especially after it fills out a bit. I don't dislike the shape of the tree but find it a tad too tall for its girth. You could of course keep it in the training pot (or elsewhere) and let it thicken out, but that may be a pretty lengthy process.

Or you could reduce it. All IMHO of course but if it were mine, I'd reduce it and make it a little more asymmetric. A few of my crapvirts:

Reduced Symmetric



Reduced but asymmetric



Ditto - different pot





Ditto again - totally different pot





As I say - all just IMHO and in a rush.

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Post  bonsaistud on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:45 am

Thank you so much Fiona, for the wonderful virts...Any one of them would work nicely. Any of the pots would work as well.

Howsomeever...I like the last virt...in the "rock" pot...or something similar.

What do you think about moving the "Kishi" 1-2" further to lhe left of center?

It looks to me, Fiona, that you would like to reduce the height by about 1/4...2" or so...?

Again Fiona...I really do appreciate what you put into the virts...I am surely pleased that you didn't stop at one or two... Smile Smile

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Post  fiona on Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:59 pm

Hi Pat.

I was seeing the cut as about here:




I tried moving the kishi back as you suggested, but it overhung the side of this particular stone too much (even the asymmetric one) to look good any further left than this:




Some other stones I had kicking about. Asymmetric tree level on stone:




The one I like - asymmetric tree with a slight tilt:




I also like this one. Tilted tree - stone is different but of the same type




As before, all just MHVUO (thanks to Mike J)


And Pat - like the new avatar. Kinda Howard Keel meets the Marlboro Man.

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Post  JimLewis on Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:20 pm

And I'd see it without a pointy top.

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Post  fiona on Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:33 pm

Is this any better, Jim?


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Post  bonsaistud on Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:49 am

Fiona, my friend...

I am overwhelmed by what you have done with my "Kishi"...!

Eleven virtuals...and more...!

Your suggested cut point looks like three inches...

Your asymmetric makeover is very appropriate...works very well for me...

And...the one I like most is...the one you call "...asymmetric tree with a slight tilt...". On a stone.

That being said...

What's this "crapvirts" about? IMHO...they are very good...in fact, top drawer...

Yes, Fiona...demented... jocolor

Finally, Fiona...your comment on my new avatar...I take that as a compliment... Cool

Once again Fiona, I thank you for what you have done for my "Kishi", and he thanks you too.

Pat...on my trusty steed, riding off wildly in all directions...

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Post  fiona on Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:46 am

bonsaistud wrote:
Finally, Fiona...your comment on my new avatar...I take that as a compliment... Cool
A compliment? From me? My my! I must be slipping! flutter eyelashes flutter eyelashes

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Re: Shohin Shimpaku "Kishu"

Post  Martin S on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:15 am

Just a quick idea for a pot demonstrated on a real picture from a Shohin out of my own collection

AND .....
a question

First the question: the "Kishi"... is there any diffenece in care and styling to the "nomal" shimpaku?

Then the picture (the tree looks today a little different.... much better Laughing ):



M
PS.: the pot on the picture is from Axel Brockmann a German Pot-Artist.

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:23 pm

The care and styling are no different. Check out this site for information on different Shimpaku: www.evergreengardenworks.com.


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Post  fiona on Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:25 pm

That's a lovely pot, Martin, and very similar to the shape of one of the conventional ones I used in the virts. The colour is extremely nice and complements the trunk colour well. The green one I used was a Stone Monkey pot and is one of my favourite pots. I'm kinda glad Pat didn't like it best, as I'd have to tell him he's not getting it.

Your tree is great too, as well as the pot.

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Post  Martin S on Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:56 pm

Thx. both for your comments.

Yesterday(!) someone offers me such a Kishi and it was the first time that I heard about this spec..
Maybe I should take it..... My (main) problem is always the limited space in my garden....
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Post  fiona on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:14 pm

You can never have received too many kishis.

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Post  Jay Gaydosh on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:26 pm

fiona wrote:You can never have received too many kishis.

Kishis are wonderful, as long as they are freely given. No one should ever have to buy kishis.

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Post  bonsaistud on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:51 pm

Yes Martin...as Billy said care is the same...the only significant difference is smaller and tighter foliage.

And thank you all for your comments...

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Post  fiona on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:55 pm

Jay Gaydosh wrote: Kishis are wonderful, as long as they are freely given. No one should ever have to buy kishis. Jay

I'm saving all my kishis for you, Jay Very Happy

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Post  bonsaistud on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:59 pm

By the way, Fiona...maybe I should change my name to Howard Marlboro...? Wink

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Post  Jay Gaydosh on Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:01 pm

fiona wrote:
Jay Gaydosh wrote: Kishis are wonderful, as long as they are freely given. No one should ever have to buy kishis. Jay

I'm saving all my kishis for you, Jay Very Happy

Thank you my dear, I'm sitting hear eating worms and minnows in anticipation of the delivery!

(You gotta wonder how this all translates out into the other languages of the forum members! Now that is too funny.)

Hugs & Kishis,

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Post  fiona on Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:02 pm

bonsaistud wrote:By the way, Fiona...maybe I should change my name to Howard Marlboro...?
How about Marl Howard? Or is that a bit country and western?

Please don't shoot me down, C&W fans. After all several people have told me I'm very like Dolly Parton and I didn't even realise they'd heard me singing.

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