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Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Wow, I guess I stepped in it now....
Russell,
No, not a joke. This container has the same merit as any traditional form, albeit a lack of historical reference.
With all due respect, I can appreciate where you are coming from. If I may, from what I have read and understand I see you as a traditionalist. Perhaps you understand the role of a primitive pot, yes, but find it inferior, or perhaps subordinate to a classical form?Afterall, isn't this artform predominantly rooted in classical traditions? Well, yes it is and it is regularly reinforced. How many times have we seen untterly fantastic pieces from galleries and photos in beautiful aged Tokoname ware? That being said, as long as there are traditions there will be those (artists) that challenge them. Hopefully if done well, these new alterations help to deepen our appreciation of a particular aesthetic.
Despite the fact that I disagree completely with the color of the pot, (no offense Walter), I totally agree on the effectiveness of its form. What may look totally haphazard and random, actually was probably given much thought. (Where to place the bumbs and curls on the lip, texture, etc.) These are IMO honest and worthwhile ideals in any container made for bonsai.
We really cannot compare this piece it to a traditional form, as it is like comparing two totally different art forms. Would you compare rap music to Mozart, or Sade to Schoenberg? How about paintings of Rockwell and Motherwell? I wouldn't. That would be foolish.
To say that you don't like something does nothing mean it is not good art. One of the most important credentials of good art is that it provokes a different realm of thought. It alters and/or deepens our sense of understanding.
That's just simple Art Appreciation 101.....
Russell,
No, not a joke. This container has the same merit as any traditional form, albeit a lack of historical reference.
With all due respect, I can appreciate where you are coming from. If I may, from what I have read and understand I see you as a traditionalist. Perhaps you understand the role of a primitive pot, yes, but find it inferior, or perhaps subordinate to a classical form?Afterall, isn't this artform predominantly rooted in classical traditions? Well, yes it is and it is regularly reinforced. How many times have we seen untterly fantastic pieces from galleries and photos in beautiful aged Tokoname ware? That being said, as long as there are traditions there will be those (artists) that challenge them. Hopefully if done well, these new alterations help to deepen our appreciation of a particular aesthetic.
Despite the fact that I disagree completely with the color of the pot, (no offense Walter), I totally agree on the effectiveness of its form. What may look totally haphazard and random, actually was probably given much thought. (Where to place the bumbs and curls on the lip, texture, etc.) These are IMO honest and worthwhile ideals in any container made for bonsai.
We really cannot compare this piece it to a traditional form, as it is like comparing two totally different art forms. Would you compare rap music to Mozart, or Sade to Schoenberg? How about paintings of Rockwell and Motherwell? I wouldn't. That would be foolish.
To say that you don't like something does nothing mean it is not good art. One of the most important credentials of good art is that it provokes a different realm of thought. It alters and/or deepens our sense of understanding.
That's just simple Art Appreciation 101.....
Rob Addonizio- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Hi Rob, and thanks.
Yes, I do like primitive pots - the namban type. It's just me, and I accept that. I find these pots distracting, ill-proportioned and flat out ugly. Art Appreciation 101 or not.
OK then.
Yes, I do like primitive pots - the namban type. It's just me, and I accept that. I find these pots distracting, ill-proportioned and flat out ugly. Art Appreciation 101 or not.
OK then.
Russell Coker- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Hi Everybody,
please look at new pots by my friend Mateusz. Have a nice view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePcfbRgWLo&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVYZj3LhmdY&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwtYTOx3p3s&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwP3j4yFyA&feature=player_profilepage
please look at new pots by my friend Mateusz. Have a nice view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePcfbRgWLo&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVYZj3LhmdY&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwtYTOx3p3s&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwP3j4yFyA&feature=player_profilepage
Pawel P- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
i do like the first pot and the fourth very much ,i only wish i could get them to england
tim stubbs- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Fraxinus ornus - transplanted in Mateusz Grobelny pot
http://gal-bonsai.blogspot.com/2011/04/fraxinus-ornus-presaen-u-mateusz.html
gal- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
I like cats and dogs I guess because I love a few of these Mateusz pots (a few are not a pleasing shape and/or color and/or texture)--but I also like the more traditional pots as well. Depends entirely on the combination...
The combination that you have shared gal is very pleasing to me--as are a few of Mr. Pal's. There were a couple I did not care for but most were great imho.
Jesse
The combination that you have shared gal is very pleasing to me--as are a few of Mr. Pal's. There were a couple I did not care for but most were great imho.
Jesse
Jesse- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Pawel P wrote:Hi Everybody,
please look at new pots by my friend Mateusz. Have a nice view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePcfbRgWLo&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVYZj3LhmdY&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwtYTOx3p3s&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwP3j4yFyA&feature=player_profilepage
Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1
I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.
Rob Kempinski- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
I'm stunned that this issue has gotten so many people riled up the way it has.
I think the tree looks great. It's different, but still obviously bonsai. I don't mind people stretching beyond the norms. Honestly, I'm a bit tired of the same old thing.
There is beauty in traditional forms. No doubt. But there is beauty elsewhere too. I see no reason for discourse.
And with that, I say Peace unto you.
I think the tree looks great. It's different, but still obviously bonsai. I don't mind people stretching beyond the norms. Honestly, I'm a bit tired of the same old thing.
There is beauty in traditional forms. No doubt. But there is beauty elsewhere too. I see no reason for discourse.
And with that, I say Peace unto you.
EdMerc- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Rob Kempinski wrote:Pawel P wrote:Hi Everybody,
please look at new pots by my friend Mateusz. Have a nice view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePcfbRgWLo&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVYZj3LhmdY&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwtYTOx3p3s&feature=player_profilepage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwP3j4yFyA&feature=player_profilepage
Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1
I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.
It certainly would. Such sharing of information and insight would be a proper use of the forum.
fiona- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Ok Rob, out with it...where is this photo taken???
I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.
Very interesting I must say
I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.
Very interesting I must say
Rob Addonizio- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
his name is Han Xue Nian .Rob Addonizio wrote:Ok Rob, out with it...where is this photo taken???
I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.
Very interesting I must say
Check out Lindsay Farr's world of bonsai series 2 on , http://bonsaifarm.tv/wob-series-2/wob2-6/
tim stubbs- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
tim stubbs wrote:his name is Han Xue Nian .Rob Addonizio wrote:Ok Rob, out with it...where is this photo taken???
I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.
Very interesting I must say
Rob - Tim is correct, it is a Ficus Microcarpa in the garden of Mr. Xuei Nian Han, a Chinese industrialist and bonsai lover. I gave him a commemorative plaque on behalf of BCI when I visited last year. He seems like a nice man and interestingly his garden is in the yard of his factory in the Guangzhou region of China. 100's of trees, mostly pine, that break many of the rules we have been told are rules of bonsai.
His trees and approach (as many in southern China) are different than what we are frequently told is the way to do bonsai. The Chinese proved to me at least that there are many ways to do bonsai and to always look to Japan for one's way is limiting. (It is pretty much agreed the origins of bonsai are in China not Japan). I enjoy the Japanese approach but I also enjoy seeing how artists can evolve bonsai into something new and interesting.
Rob Kempinski- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
fiona wrote:Rob Kempinski wrote:
Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1
I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.
It certainly would. Such sharing of information and insight would be a proper use of the forum.
Rob,
thanks for posting the link. It's a very interesting video.
Fiona and Rob,
I'll try and offer a short account of what Mateusz says in the video.
It's his own project and it's called 'Aquarium of fire'. The idea was to break free from the concept of traditional, heavy looking, block shape kilns. So to construct a kiln, instead of traditional kiln materials he uses modern ones, i.e. silicon mats rather than fireclay bricks. The advantage of the silicon mat is also the light effect it produces.
The kiln design was inspired by the industrial cart (the idea of raising the construction above the ground) and the chimney, which wasn't meant to be vertical nor straight though, it would rather have a 'biological' shape. The contorted shape of the chimney helps keeping high temperature inside too.
Each kiln has a unique design however. He starts off with an idea and a drawing, then he welds the construction together and fits the silicon mats.
The unique design serves two purposes: 1) It's a way of expressing himself as a sculptor as each kiln is a sculpture in itself and 2) each firing is also unique: unique kiln means unique air circulation, plus there's the kind of wood he uses for firing, the weather factors like wind and humidity "and many more". As a result, and this is the reward, he can't predict exactly what the ceramics will look like, what the colour and even shape will be like, etc.
The technology of ceramics has to be followed. So it takes about 6 or 7 hours to raise the tempretature to ca. 300C (to get rid of the moisture in the clay), then you raise it again to around 600C (to get rid of the soot) and finally to around 1200-1250C. He says he likes to give the ceramics more time in the lower temperatures as it gives better colour effects (the fire smothers ceramics longer). Cooling down takes around 12 hours (it depends on the the thickness of the kiln walls). The whole process of firing takes about 48 hours.
Sin agad 'e. Hope it does the job like.
giomach- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
giomach wrote:fiona wrote:Rob Kempinski wrote:
Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1
I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.
It certainly would. Such sharing of information and insight would be a proper use of the forum.
Rob,
thanks for posting the link. It's a very interesting video.
Fiona and Rob,
I'll try and offer a short account of what Mateusz says in the video.
It's his own project and it's called 'Aquarium of fire'. The idea was to break free from the concept of traditional, heavy looking, block shape kilns. So to construct a kiln, instead of traditional kiln materials he uses modern ones, i.e. silicon mats rather than fireclay bricks. The advantage of the silicon mat is also the light effect it produces.
The kiln design was inspired by the industrial cart (the idea of raising the construction above the ground) and the chimney, which wasn't meant to be vertical nor straight though, it would rather have a 'biological' shape. The contorted shape of the chimney helps keeping high temperature inside too.
Each kiln has a unique design however. He starts off with an idea and a drawing, then he welds the construction together and fits the silicon mats.
The unique design serves two purposes: 1) It's a way of expressing himself as a sculptor as each kiln is a sculpture in itself and 2) each firing is also unique: unique kiln means unique air circulation, plus there's the kind of wood he uses for firing, the weather factors like wind and humidity "and many more". As a result, and this is the reward, he can't predict exactly what the ceramics will look like, what the colour and even shape will be like, etc.
The technology of ceramics has to be followed. So it takes about 6 or 7 hours to raise the tempretature to ca. 300C (to get rid of the moisture in the clay), then you raise it again to around 600C (to get rid of the soot) and finally to around 1200-1250C. He says he likes to give the ceramics more time in the lower temperatures as it gives better colour effects (the fire smothers ceramics longer). Cooling down takes around 12 hours (it depends on the the thickness of the kiln walls). The whole process of firing takes about 48 hours.
Sin agad 'e. Hope it does the job like.
Thanks for providing the interpretation. What an interesting, time consuming and serendipitous process.
I was just in Wroclav, but don't recall making his acquaintance. Maybe next time. Meanwhile, I'll follow his work.
Thanks again.
Rob Kempinski- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
The Kilns and firing videos by Mateusz are amazing and as Rob said the kilns are a work of art also
Giomach
Thanks for the translation
Kind regards
Andy
Giomach
Thanks for the translation
Kind regards
Andy
Stone Monkey- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
Wow! That kiln firing is mind boggling. I emailed the video link and the translated synopsis to the ceramics department head at the community college where I do some work, suggesting it would be a great project to do on the garden circle in front of the fine art center building (tongue in cheek, of course).
That did make me wonder if the firings might actually be happening on a university campus -- anybody know if Mr Grobelny is associated with an academic institution? Whether I would choose the pot styles for bonsai or not, I am awed by his creativity.
Some people really know how to have fun!
DaveT
That did make me wonder if the firings might actually be happening on a university campus -- anybody know if Mr Grobelny is associated with an academic institution? Whether I would choose the pot styles for bonsai or not, I am awed by his creativity.
Some people really know how to have fun!
DaveT
DWThomas- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
I wonder the material which this kiln's base construction is made of. Although iron melts at "1500 + °C", I heard it's unable to hold its shape and support anything at temperatures "800 + °C" ... Anyway, I can try it in my kiln next time.
Tom Benda- Member
Re: pots by Mateusz Grobelny
That pot and tree go so well together. I think these are my favourite pots on the market.
Smithy- Member
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