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Post  Rob Addonizio Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:10 pm

Wow, I guess I stepped in it now.... Shocked

Russell,

No, not a joke. This container has the same merit as any traditional form, albeit a lack of historical reference.

With all due respect, I can appreciate where you are coming from. If I may, from what I have read and understand I see you as a traditionalist. Perhaps you understand the role of a primitive pot, yes, but find it inferior, or perhaps subordinate to a classical form?Afterall, isn't this artform predominantly rooted in classical traditions? Well, yes it is and it is regularly reinforced. How many times have we seen untterly fantastic pieces from galleries and photos in beautiful aged Tokoname ware? That being said, as long as there are traditions there will be those (artists) that challenge them. Hopefully if done well, these new alterations help to deepen our appreciation of a particular aesthetic.

Despite the fact that I disagree completely with the color of the pot, (no offense Walter), I totally agree on the effectiveness of its form. What may look totally haphazard and random, actually was probably given much thought. (Where to place the bumbs and curls on the lip, texture, etc.) These are IMO honest and worthwhile ideals in any container made for bonsai.

We really cannot compare this piece it to a traditional form, as it is like comparing two totally different art forms. Would you compare rap music to Mozart, or Sade to Schoenberg? How about paintings of Rockwell and Motherwell? I wouldn't. That would be foolish.

To say that you don't like something does nothing mean it is not good art. One of the most important credentials of good art is that it provokes a different realm of thought. It alters and/or deepens our sense of understanding.

That's just simple Art Appreciation 101..... Wink
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Post  Russell Coker Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:17 pm

Hi Rob, and thanks.

Yes, I do like primitive pots - the namban type. It's just me, and I accept that. I find these pots distracting, ill-proportioned and flat out ugly. Art Appreciation 101 or not.

OK then.
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Post  tim stubbs Mon May 16, 2011 8:58 pm

i do like the first pot and the fourth very much ,i only wish i could get them to england
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Post  gal Tue May 17, 2011 6:56 am

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Fraxinus ornus - transplanted in Mateusz Grobelny pot
http://gal-bonsai.blogspot.com/2011/04/fraxinus-ornus-presaen-u-mateusz.html

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Post  Jesse Tue May 17, 2011 4:54 pm

I like cats and dogs I guess because I love a few of these Mateusz pots (a few are not a pleasing shape and/or color and/or texture)--but I also like the more traditional pots as well. Depends entirely on the combination...

The combination that you have shared gal is very pleasing to me--as are a few of Mr. Pal's. There were a couple I did not care for but most were great imho.

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Post  Rob Kempinski Tue May 24, 2011 2:17 pm


Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1

I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.
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Post  EdMerc Tue May 24, 2011 2:50 pm

I'm stunned that this issue has gotten so many people riled up the way it has.

I think the tree looks great. It's different, but still obviously bonsai. I don't mind people stretching beyond the norms. Honestly, I'm a bit tired of the same old thing.

There is beauty in traditional forms. No doubt. But there is beauty elsewhere too. I see no reason for discourse.

And with that, I say Peace unto you. Wink
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Post  fiona Tue May 24, 2011 3:34 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:

Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1

I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.

It certainly would. Such sharing of information and insight would be a proper use of the forum.
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Post  Rob Kempinski Wed May 25, 2011 5:48 pm

Bonsai is tree in a pot, eh?



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Post  Rob Addonizio Fri May 27, 2011 3:35 am

Ok Rob, out with it...where is this photo taken???

I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.

Very interesting I must say Cool



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Post  tim stubbs Fri May 27, 2011 7:29 am

Rob Addonizio wrote:Ok Rob, out with it...where is this photo taken???

I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.

Very interesting I must say Cool



his name is Han Xue Nian .
Check out Lindsay Farr's world of bonsai series 2 on , http://bonsaifarm.tv/wob-series-2/wob2-6/
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Post  Rob Kempinski Fri May 27, 2011 12:56 pm

tim stubbs wrote:
Rob Addonizio wrote:Ok Rob, out with it...where is this photo taken???

I would like to know more about this display and the artist that created it.

Very interesting I must say Cool



his name is Han Xue Nian .

Rob - Tim is correct, it is a Ficus Microcarpa in the garden of Mr. Xuei Nian Han, a Chinese industrialist and bonsai lover. I gave him a commemorative plaque on behalf of BCI when I visited last year. He seems like a nice man and interestingly his garden is in the yard of his factory in the Guangzhou region of China. 100's of trees, mostly pine, that break many of the rules we have been told are rules of bonsai.

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His trees and approach (as many in southern China) are different than what we are frequently told is the way to do bonsai. The Chinese proved to me at least that there are many ways to do bonsai and to always look to Japan for one's way is limiting. (It is pretty much agreed the origins of bonsai are in China not Japan). I enjoy the Japanese approach but I also enjoy seeing how artists can evolve bonsai into something new and interesting.
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Post  giomach Fri May 27, 2011 8:53 pm

fiona wrote:
Rob Kempinski wrote:
Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1

I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.

It certainly would. Such sharing of information and insight would be a proper use of the forum.

Rob,
thanks for posting the link. It's a very interesting video.

Fiona and Rob,
I'll try and offer a short account of what Mateusz says in the video.
It's his own project and it's called 'Aquarium of fire'. The idea was to break free from the concept of traditional, heavy looking, block shape kilns. So to construct a kiln, instead of traditional kiln materials he uses modern ones, i.e. silicon mats rather than fireclay bricks. The advantage of the silicon mat is also the light effect it produces.
The kiln design was inspired by the industrial cart (the idea of raising the construction above the ground) and the chimney, which wasn't meant to be vertical nor straight though, it would rather have a 'biological' shape. The contorted shape of the chimney helps keeping high temperature inside too.
Each kiln has a unique design however. He starts off with an idea and a drawing, then he welds the construction together and fits the silicon mats.
The unique design serves two purposes: 1) It's a way of expressing himself as a sculptor as each kiln is a sculpture in itself and 2) each firing is also unique: unique kiln means unique air circulation, plus there's the kind of wood he uses for firing, the weather factors like wind and humidity "and many more". As a result, and this is the reward, he can't predict exactly what the ceramics will look like, what the colour and even shape will be like, etc.
The technology of ceramics has to be followed. So it takes about 6 or 7 hours to raise the tempretature to ca. 300C (to get rid of the moisture in the clay), then you raise it again to around 600C (to get rid of the soot) and finally to around 1200-1250C. He says he likes to give the ceramics more time in the lower temperatures as it gives better colour effects (the fire smothers ceramics longer). Cooling down takes around 12 hours (it depends on the the thickness of the kiln walls). The whole process of firing takes about 48 hours.

Sin agad 'e. Hope it does the job like. Cool

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Post  Rob Kempinski Sat May 28, 2011 5:11 am

giomach wrote:
fiona wrote:
Rob Kempinski wrote:
Did anyone watch the video of him making the wood fired kiln?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhVcy82ZMs&NR=1

I can't speak Polish so I don't fully understand what he was doing but it appears he welds a new kiln for each firing and he does it in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The kiln design shown in the video is a work of art itself.
Any additional explanation would be appreciated.

It certainly would. Such sharing of information and insight would be a proper use of the forum.

Rob,
thanks for posting the link. It's a very interesting video.

Fiona and Rob,
I'll try and offer a short account of what Mateusz says in the video.
It's his own project and it's called 'Aquarium of fire'. The idea was to break free from the concept of traditional, heavy looking, block shape kilns. So to construct a kiln, instead of traditional kiln materials he uses modern ones, i.e. silicon mats rather than fireclay bricks. The advantage of the silicon mat is also the light effect it produces.
The kiln design was inspired by the industrial cart (the idea of raising the construction above the ground) and the chimney, which wasn't meant to be vertical nor straight though, it would rather have a 'biological' shape. The contorted shape of the chimney helps keeping high temperature inside too.
Each kiln has a unique design however. He starts off with an idea and a drawing, then he welds the construction together and fits the silicon mats.
The unique design serves two purposes: 1) It's a way of expressing himself as a sculptor as each kiln is a sculpture in itself and 2) each firing is also unique: unique kiln means unique air circulation, plus there's the kind of wood he uses for firing, the weather factors like wind and humidity "and many more". As a result, and this is the reward, he can't predict exactly what the ceramics will look like, what the colour and even shape will be like, etc.
The technology of ceramics has to be followed. So it takes about 6 or 7 hours to raise the tempretature to ca. 300C (to get rid of the moisture in the clay), then you raise it again to around 600C (to get rid of the soot) and finally to around 1200-1250C. He says he likes to give the ceramics more time in the lower temperatures as it gives better colour effects (the fire smothers ceramics longer). Cooling down takes around 12 hours (it depends on the the thickness of the kiln walls). The whole process of firing takes about 48 hours.

Sin agad 'e. Hope it does the job like. Cool

Thanks for providing the interpretation. What an interesting, time consuming and serendipitous process.
I was just in Wroclav, but don't recall making his acquaintance. Maybe next time. Meanwhile, I'll follow his work.
Thanks again.
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Post  Stone Monkey Sat May 28, 2011 10:26 am

The Kilns and firing videos by Mateusz are amazing and as Rob said the kilns are a work of art also

Giomach

Thanks for the translation

Kind regards

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Post  tiennavi Tue May 31, 2011 6:20 am

great!
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Post  DWThomas Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:09 am

Wow! That kiln firing is mind boggling. I emailed the video link and the translated synopsis to the ceramics department head at the community college where I do some work, suggesting it would be a great project to do on the garden circle in front of the fine art center building (tongue in cheek, of course).

That did make me wonder if the firings might actually be happening on a university campus -- anybody know if Mr Grobelny is associated with an academic institution? Whether I would choose the pot styles for bonsai or not, I am awed by his creativity.

Some people really know how to have fun! Very Happy

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Post  Pawel P Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:42 pm

New pot by my friend Mateusz Grobelny Smile
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Post  Tom Benda Sat May 26, 2012 9:53 am

I wonder the material which this kiln's base construction is made of. Although iron melts at "1500 + °C", I heard it's unable to hold its shape and support anything at temperatures "800 + °C" ... Anyway, I can try it in my kiln next time.

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Post  Walter Pall Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:37 pm

Boston Ivy, Parthenicissus tricuspidatta planted into a Grobelny pot. It will look great with red foliage in fall I hope.

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Post  Smithy Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:44 pm

That pot and tree go so well together. I think these are my favourite pots on the market.
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Post  Walter Pall Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:23 pm

European spruce, Picea abies, collected in Switzerland, pot by Mateusz Grobelny.


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Post  Walter Pall Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:00 pm

As forseen the pot goes quite well with the fall colors.

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