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Post  Russell Coker on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:53 pm

Andrija Zokic wrote:
David Carvalho wrote:
So I can understand people asking to see that "amazing mature ramification" because at first sight I don't see it, now what I cannot understand is the owners atitude, I don't understand why do they reply in such an harsh way like they were offended.

I'am not offended.
Does anybody knows that in Japan is normal to show on exhibition evergreen trees without leaves? I never heard for that.

Andrija, I've never heard of that either and I don't ever recall seeing that happen. One thing that I have seen on this forum is that sometimes Ficus are defoliated for exhibitions in Taiwan for instance...

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:06 pm

ybonsai wrote:
Branchstructure could be something for the future, depends the owner.
This piece of nature will look stunning at Noelanders!

Thanks! Of coarse in future branches will be ticker and in better harmony with the trunk. Ramification also will be denser but not to much because Pistacia has pinnate-compound leaves and I like that gently character of the leaves as contrast to rough trunk.

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Post  Marija Hajdic on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:18 pm

David Carvalho wrote:Hello all,
So I can understand people asking to see that "amazing mature ramification" because at first sight I don't see it, now what I cannot understand is the owners atitude, I don't understand why do they reply in such an harsh way like they were offended.
Since you have written this, obviously I have bad sense of humor scratch Very Happy

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Post  Randy_Davis on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:31 pm

Pawel P wrote:Andrija, I have no time now to find more proofs: see especially lesson 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z29rSrfEz8A

Any knowledgable plant person would know that there is a huge difference between Elaegnus pungens and Pistacia on how they respond to defoliation. Elaegnus and some of the other weedy shrubs and trees are quite sturdy to that kind of treatment and recover very well. The less vigorous trees, Pistacia being one of them, don't respond in the same manner and often suffer as a result of that kind of treatment. I would also mention that in your referenced video, that tree was being defoliated during the summer months when the tree is actively growing not at this time of the year when they are dormant. Knowing what you can do to any specific genus/species of plant is one of the things that should be of primary intrest to anyone intrested in doing bonsai for the long term. More often than not for shows, defoliation on something like Elaegnus is done to get very small leaves on the tree which allows one to see into the tree and as a result, the ramification. Traditionally, displays of trees to show off ramification are winter displays in Japan and usually reserved for deciduous trees.

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Post  Pawel P on Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:15 pm

OK, thanks for this piece of knowledge.
I don't know these species, that's why I asked. Strange emotions in this discussion were unnecessary, because somebody think that I suspect about bad ramification. I only wanted to know, is it possible to see pistacia without leaves on Noelanders Trophy. That's it.
Peace&love sunny

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Post  coh on Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:51 pm

Stunning base and trunk structure! And to top it off, the tree seems to look great from every viewing angle. Wonderful progress, I look forward to seeing it develop further.

Chris

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:44 pm

I love the pot you chose. Really works well with the tree.

I do not know the material so I will not comment on defoliating it, but it looks good in leaf, and if they have a nice color in January, even better.

I can't ever recall seeing an evergreen tree totally defoliated for a show in Japan, (only decidious trees) however, it is common practice to totally defoliate a tree in tropical areas, depending on the species. Ficus, bougainvillea, hibiscus tileacus, premna sp., malpighia, gelnium aeqoreum, buttonwood, jaboticaba (among others) are all evergreen trees that can tolerate total defoliation.

Good luck at Noelanders. Have a great show.


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Post  Rob Kempinski on Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:55 pm

Marija Hajdic wrote:
David Carvalho wrote:Hello all,
So I can understand people asking to see that "amazing mature ramification" because at first sight I don't see it, now what I cannot understand is the owners atitude, I don't understand why do they reply in such an harsh way like they were offended.
Since you have written this, obviously I have bad sense of humor scratch Very Happy

I thought it was pretty funny. Twisted Evil

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Post  tom tynan on Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:13 am

How will you over time build up the structure of this evergreen tree - simply by letting it grow out and then cutting it back slightly to stimulate new growth or will you use another technique. Everything about this collected tree is so compelling; bark, deadwood, contrast between deadwood and small leaves. Beautiful. Best wishes from New York. Tom

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:22 am

tom tynan wrote:How will you over time build up the structure of this evergreen tree - simply by letting it grow out and then cutting it back slightly to stimulate new growth or will you use another technique.

For all my broadleaf trees I use cut back technique.
Interesting post:
http://walter-pall-bonsai.blogspot.com/2010/05/cutting-back-deciduous-trees.html

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Post  Marija Hajdic on Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:44 am

Our tree at Noelanders Trophy XIII exhibition


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Post  Walter Pall on Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:21 am

This great tree got a lot of attention. Well deserved. I look forward to your next year's entries.

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Post  my nellie on Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:45 am

Walter Pall wrote:This great tree got a lot of attention. Well deserved. ... ...

Undoubtedly!!!
Bravo, Marija & Andrija!

I have not seen that height of stand very often and I do like the composition very much! I think that the height makes justice to the composition, I mean this raised position brings forth the quality of the tree (an ignorant's opinion, of course...)

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Post  aristide on Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:54 am

yes this tree was very nice, and no doubt you 'll take it on a very high level.

I hope i will see your unedo one day in this kind of exibition (can't wait).

i really like the natural character of this pistacia and the unedo, and still power and elegance is keep to both trees.

great vision

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Post  Ed van der Reek on Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:54 am

Hi Marija & Andrija,I like this tree a lot.
I like the movement and the tiny leafs with green and red colours on it,very special Very Happy
Gr Ed


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Post  Marija Hajdic on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:57 pm

my nellie wrote:
Walter Pall wrote:This great tree got a lot of attention. Well deserved. ... ...

Undoubtedly!!!
Bravo, Marija & Andrija!

I have not seen that height of stand very often and I do like the composition very much! I think that the height makes justice to the composition, I mean this raised position brings forth the quality of the tree (an ignorant's opinion, of course...)

Nellie,
table was costum made for this tree. On purpose it is high table, so that observers can look at trunk line an nebari haan-on, and not from above, as usually at the exhibitions.


Thanks to all for comments and special thanks to our teacher Walter who always finds a way to inflame our inspiration Very Happy

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:47 pm

I agree, with that kind of a trunk, plain is best, the organic pots are stunning but to much 'roughness' with the rugged trunk. The trunk doesnt need a show to show it! Smile

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:01 pm

O sorry , I only got as far as the first page, missed the whole fight! Laughing YOur tree, the pot , the exibit, absolutely amazing! I will now slowly retreat into the shadows again. Embarassed

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Post  moyogijohn on Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:29 pm

Beautiful tree !!! very good find .. my opion first pot or the virt pot last picture..show that nice trunk !! take care john

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Post  Poink88 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:43 pm

Marija,

This is a wonderful tree as most of your trees are (if not all).

One question. Have you considered carving the left branch to reduce its apparent size and match the overall feel of the tree? I can almost see where it wants to be carved actually.

I know it might sound like a crazy idea and maybe it is. Just wondering. Thank you!

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Post  Marija Hajdic on Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:53 pm

Poink88 wrote:Marija,
This is a wonderful tree as most of your trees are (if not all).
One question. Have you considered carving the left branch to reduce its apparent size and match the overall feel of the tree? I can almost see where it wants to be carved actually.
I know it might sound like a crazy idea and maybe it is. Just wondering. Thank you!

Left trunk has fine moving, deadwood, and bark. It is in harmony with the main trunk. All of that is more obvious in real than looking at photos ...

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:15 pm

This tree was a real treat at Noelanders. It was the first time I had ever seen this species in person. The trunk, bark and foliage color were exceptional. I'm sure with time it will improve. It was a good idea to raise the tree on the elevated stand. The compound leaves do present a problem (as with most compound leaved bonsai trees) when showing the tree as they are tough "to tame". I would expect that if this tree can do it a more fuller canopy, like one might see on a tamrind, rain tree, Texas Ebony, or other tropical-type crown, would work well. When that happens I'd like to see the crown opened in the front a bit to create more of focal point with the trunk.

It was very nice to meet you Marija and Andrija. Really enjoy your work.

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Post  coh on Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:00 pm

Walter Pall wrote:This great tree got a lot of attention. Well deserved...
I agree. Thought it looked great earlier in the thread, still do! Wish I could see it in person...

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Post  Marija Hajdic on Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:52 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:It was very nice to meet you Marija and Andrija. Really enjoy your work.
It was pleasure to meet you too. Thanks.

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Post  graham walker on Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:33 pm

This tree looked fantastic at Noelanders Trophy, it was much better in person thanm the photos show.
I was looking forward to meeting you there, but did not see you, or walked past you possibly not recognising you ?

Well Done
Graham

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