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Post  Andrija Zokic on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:47 pm

Here it is.














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Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:10 pm

Hi Andrija
I like your choice. The pot seems to 'tame' down the 'wildness' of the tree. And yet, if the pot had a more mature 'patina' it would have been the best 'marriage' for the tree.

Thanks for sharing
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Post  Sebastijan Sandev on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:17 pm

Outstanding tree.
Just great ThumbsUp

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:24 pm

cosmos wrote:Hi Andrija
I like your choice.

It is Walter Pall's choice.

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Post  Robert Steven on Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:21 am

From pictures, I like these two angles, they are exposing more character and better perspective....or you should make it look good from all different angles... thumbs up




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Post  Justin Hervey on Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:12 am

Hi Andrija
I think that trees like this one, with so many worthy viewing angles, should be centrally exhibited so that they can be properly appreciated 'in the round'.
Wonderful specimen.

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:54 pm

Robert Steven wrote:From pictures, I like these two angles, they are exposing more character and better perspective....


First one is interesting but in reality jin and hole tree goes too much in spectator. It is very wide tree.


Robert Steven wrote: ... or you should make it look good from all different angles thumbs up ...

That is my intention. Wink Thanks for advices and opinion!

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Post  Pawel P on Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Beautiful work of nature. But please make the defoliation first and then try to exhibit this tree Very Happy

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Post  Walter Pall on Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:08 pm

At the recent session of the International Bonsai Academy in Croatia this wonderful tree was analyzed again ansd slightly edited to be presented to the Noleanders Trophy. Now it is accepted and will be seen there in January 2012. I look forward to see it shine in the exhibit area.










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Post  Pawel P on Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:29 pm

Could you show us ramification without leaves?

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Post  Walter Pall on Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:32 pm

Pistacia is an evergreen plant. They NEVER have no leaves. The foliage becomes reddish when it gets cold.
Why don't you ask the folks who show olive tres to defoliate them and show them without leaves? You could also ask those who show pine trees to pluck all needles to see ramification.

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Post  Pawel P on Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:47 pm

Walter, are you the owner of this tree??
I ask about it because it's possible to make defoliation on this tree and show ramification. Nobody doesn't have to remove small leaves on olives to show good ramification. And what do you mean about pines? Try to remowe all leaves on your pines, we will see very good ramification, but maybe only one time Rolling Eyes

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:58 pm

Pawel P wrote:Nobody doesn't have to remove small leaves on olives to show good ramification.

You think that Pistacia has too big leaves? Well, to me size is ok, also color and shape of the leaves is very interesting.

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Post  marcus watts on Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:13 pm

PAwel, I think Walter means why should a person weaken a tree or cause it un-neccessary damage just so you can see it with no leaves ???? the tree and its health should always come first, effecting it badly just to take a photograph is wrong.

Putting a tree into show condition or doing incorrect techniques for no reason, then moving it to a show, confining it in a building, driving it home again etc etc will cause much stress and harm to all bonsai - Many European trees that were shown too often are now dead or damaged so much they are spoilt for many years to come - it is the lesson that European bonsai 'owners' have not properly learnt yet - one show = 3 years total rest minimum, and really 5-7 years rest would be better. Unfortunately I believe the owners think it was the weather of the last two winters that harmed their trees, not that they had weakened the trees through over exhibition so they were not strong enough to survive bad weather.

I have seen prize winning trees (noeleanders and others) that are now very very poor if they are alive at all - they gave a year or two of so called fame for the owner but thats it. The next best of british has it right - no trees included that have been there before.

regards Marcus

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Post  Pawel P on Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:51 pm

Andrija, it was only answer to Walter. I didn't write anything about size leaves of pistacia.
So Andrija, you are the owner of this tree. Please tell us, could you show us ramification of this tree without leaves? In Japan it's really normal to show on exhibition evergreen trees without leaves, because people want to show their long hard work on perfect ramification. Pistacia is really fantastic tree, but I'd like to see the quality of all parts. Now it's hidden.

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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:18 am

Very nice tree. and very well done in just a little more than two years.


Pawel,

If you would just look at the initial post of this tree, They said they just collected this tree in 2009. First styled in 2010. If you know how the growth rate of trees were, you would already know that this tree have not reached its full potential in terms of full ramification yet, If you do not know this fact, it is understandable that you would asked for it in it's defoliated look. So don't look for it if you already know you wouldn't find it yet and instead appreciate the goodness of the tree it achieved in just a very short time. The fact that this tree was selected to be presented in Noleanders Trophy means this tree is far from being your average tree.


regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Marija Hajdic on Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:24 am

Dear Pawel, can you please strip yourself and put photo on forum, because without that I can only see that you are writing nonsense. But if I see you naked, maybe I will be able to understand you! That is normal thing in Zimbabwe, please do that! Very Happy

How about that?


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Post  Andrija Zokic on Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:26 am

Pawel P wrote:Please tell us, could you show us ramification of this tree without leaves? In Japan it's really normal to show on exhibition evergreen trees without leaves, because people want to show their long hard work

So what? I not live in Japan, and I not showing my work but my tree.

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Post  Pawel P on Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:03 pm

I like this tree and I really appreciate quality of it. I also understand that this tree reached development in really short time. BUT I think it could be possible to show pistacia without leaves on exhibition like Noelanders Trophy. And I see that you don't want to do it, so that is no problem for me! You don't have to do it special for me, it could be ridiculous. So don't take my words so serious! It's only discussion...
Peace and love sunny

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Post  Russell Coker on Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:30 pm

Walter Pall wrote:At the recent session of the International Bonsai Academy in Croatia this wonderful tree was analyzed again ansd slightly edited to be presented to the Noleanders Trophy. Now it is accepted and will be seen there in January 2012. I look forward to see it shine in the exhibit area.











And SHINE it will! Congratulations, this is a magnificent bonsai and I love everything about it. Please take some pictures this winter, I'd love to see the cold weather color.

Thanks for sharing!

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Post  Randy_Davis on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:01 pm

Pawel P wrote:Andrija, it was only answer to Walter. I didn't write anything about size leaves of pistacia.
So Andrija, you are the owner of this tree. Please tell us, could you show us ramification of this tree without leaves? In Japan it's really normal to show on exhibition evergreen trees without leaves, because people want to show their long hard work on perfect ramification. Pistacia is really fantastic tree, but I'd like to see the quality of all parts. Now it's hidden.


That's the sillyist thing I've ever heard! Go to Noleanders 2012 and look at it close up or just close your eyes and imagine it. It's no wonder that so many fine trees die or are set back doing that kind of thing. silly, Silly Silly! It's just beautiful the way it is in my estimation.

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Post  David Carvalho on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:08 pm

Hello all,

The base of this tree is trully outstanding, one of the best big pistacias I have seen. Still I believe that only time and hard work can bring scale to the massive trunk compared to it's branch structure, because in nature, in japan, in Mars (well probably not in Mars! Very Happy) a tree this old would have an amazing mature ramification, it's just nature at is best.

So I can understand people asking to see that "amazing mature ramification" because at first sight I don't see it, now what I cannot understand is the owners atitude, I don't understand why do they reply in such an harsh way like they were offended.

I'm sure it doesnt make sense to defoliate the tree, a close up photo of the ramification and explaining that this is a work in progress would work just fine, still to mature the ramification I believe you add to make a huge step backward in the design, so in the future you could have a perfect and mature branch structure.

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Post  Andrija Zokic on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:34 pm

David Carvalho wrote:
So I can understand people asking to see that "amazing mature ramification" because at first sight I don't see it, now what I cannot understand is the owners atitude, I don't understand why do they reply in such an harsh way like they were offended.

I'am not offended.
Does anybody knows that in Japan is normal to show on exhibition evergreen trees without leaves? I never heard for that.

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Post  ybonsai on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:44 pm

Andrija Zokic wrote:
David Carvalho wrote:
So I can understand people asking to see that "amazing mature ramification" because at first sight I don't see it, now what I cannot understand is the owners atitude, I don't understand why do they reply in such an harsh way like they were offended.

I'am not offended.
Does anybody knows that in Japan is normal to show on exhibition evergreen trees without leaves? I never heard for that.

Beautiful Pistachio, great lifeveins and deadwood.
Branchstructure could be something for the future, depends the owner.
This piece of nature will look stunning at Noelanders!

I also think Pawel don't means it in a offended way.

I never saw a satsuki without leafs in an Japanese exposition Very Happy

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Post  Pawel P on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:49 pm

Andrija, I have no time now to find more proofs: see especially lesson 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z29rSrfEz8A

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