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Post  Guest on Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:34 am



hi guys. this tree is ready for re-potting. the trunk and branches are superbly black. i'm thinking of giving additional emphasis on its color...can you help me with pot shape and color, plus any idea for ground cover im hoping for a kinda monochromatic effect when the tree is defoliated?--- front -- back

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  JimLewis on Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:11 am

I don't know about color (except it shuld be dark) but the pot it's in now certainly looks unstable. It should have a more blocky pot. I'd suggest square or a short rectangle. I've never seen a tree with such a black bark.

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Seth Ellwood on Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:46 am

Nice tree it reminds me of a tree that would belong in an old spooky graveyard covered in fog .

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Peter E. on Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:50 am

How about something like this ?.


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really black diospyros

Post  john5555leonard on Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:28 pm

we have diospyros rhodocalyx here looks the same . they were the first tree i used for bonsai in thailand because the have such fabulous trunks and are available everywhere ,they have a whole village near me dedicated to collecting them from the mountains to sell , the local name is ta go . the roots are very brittle and if you wash off the original soil they die < i,v managed to kill lots of them > you have to change the soil slowly over a period of years but yours looks like its already in new soil . it would look good in a deep rectangle . i,v seen them when they emphasize the black bark with a black powder paint but it does,nt look natural and to give contrast the deadwood looks better with lime sulphur, < here they paint it black and you cant see whats alive or dead > regards john

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Guest on Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:32 pm

thanks guys.
il consider your suggestions, il keep you posted after the re-potting... hope it turns out nice.

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  jrodriguez on Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:58 am

Jun,

Is this Kamagong or Bantulinao? It looks like Kamagong. Anyhow, I think it is beautiful material. Do not rush it into a bonsai pot. I can tell that it is a collected specimen. It took nature years to develop this kind of features. Let the tree rest in a big pot for further development. You will have plenty of time later to place it in a proper container.

For future reference, a terra-cotta container or even a Lu-jing glaze will make the color of the bark stand out ever further. Also, a deep soft-cornered rectangle with cream glaze will suit this tree well. A dark colored container will not be as striking, as everything will look too dark, like the way it seems in its current pot.

Kind regards,

Jose

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Post  Jerry Meislik on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:27 am

In parts of Asia I have seen India ink used to color the bark as well as to cover wounds that would look white or grey against the black bark. Contrast this to using lime sulfur to whiten dead areas used on typical classic shari and jin.
Nice tree.
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Post  Guest on Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:01 am

Jerry,

Thanks for the suggestion.
By the way, this tree is locally known as kamagong. it is naturally black in color, as dark as an ink. its a hardwood type of tree, even the wood after being sundried (SD lumber) or kiln dried (KD lumber), turns black with some brown or reddish grains but generally black in color. this is one of the most expensive type of wood when used in furniture, precisely for its color and its durability as a hard wood.
I wish i could send you same material, it will survive on your area..i think.

your friend,
Jun

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Post  Jerry Meislik on Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:02 am

Thanks Jun. I actually grew this material for many years. It grows very slowly and needs tremendous amounts of heat and of light. I cannot grow it successfully in my plant room.
All my bonsai grow only indoors.
Regards,
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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Guest on Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:42 pm

Hi IBC.






regards,
jun Smile

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Post  my nellie on Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:31 pm

Hello, Jun!
Although I saw your thread late, I would really love to see your black diamond into one of these pots









especially the second one! It would be an exceptional contrast, I think.

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Guest on Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:35 pm

Hi Alexendra...

Its been a while huh?

Where have you been? being dormant too during winter I guess.

I love those pots... my tree is so masculine and the pot is quite feminine... whats in between? just kidding. It would look lovely in that pot...I like the deep red color of the second pot. probably in my next repot.

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  hirow08 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:46 pm

Hi,

Sir Jun i tried my luck with photoshop.

Regardless of the positioning of the tree and the size of the pot. I have no idea on that yet Very Happy
I just edited the pot and the tree




Couldn't help it
I know there are pro's here when it comes to doing virtuals Laughing

No

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Guest on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:58 pm

very nice Hirow! very nice indeed!

thanks.
If you can gather enough data or files of trees, character of trunks, nebari, barks leaves etc.. specially our species it would help you much in developing your skills in bonsai. You can apply this data with the photos of bare materials and play with the future design. but that's just one of the tools though.,,, plus its fun to do.

regards,
jun study

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  my nellie on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:28 am

jun wrote:Hi Alexendra...

Its been a while huh?

Where have you been? being dormant too during winter I guess.

... ....

Yes, indeed, Jun!
But, I assure you I'm not hibernating. In fact I am (we are) preparing for my daughter's marriage... So, you can imagine what I'm going through Very Happy
Well, I see that I have made you working with my pots' images Laughing


@ hirow08
Thank you for your effort to combine the pots with the tree.


PS: I do have to learn some things about Photoshop.... Very Happy

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Rob Kempinski on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:33 am

Interesting trunk. I feel you should look for a cream or off white colored pot to accentuate the trunk. Think of the color wheel and go opposite for pot color.

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Re: "really black"doispyros sp.

Post  Guest on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:42 am

Rob,

Thanks.

my initial plan was to look for a dark gray or black unglazed pot and black sand or soil medium..and come up with a monochromatic effect when the tree is presented defoliated.
but as alexandra said contrast would also work...

regards,
jun

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