My first Pinus nigra

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My first Pinus nigra

Post  Hombre on Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:57 pm

Good evening to all.
So as you can read at the title of the topic my questions it's about a pinus nigra , my first one For me that species it's absolutly new so i make my steps literally blind, few months ago a friend of mine take me a nursery pinus nigra , it's about 50 cm high and on the base of the trunk it's probably about 5 sm .
I have several questions about how to proceed but also to the formation and growth of the tree.

Ι should just leave it in the pot for several years without any intervention?
I had to prune the top of the tree as to not get another high?
wiring now to give him some form because as a nursery tree the trunk hase no movement at all?
Or maybe all of them simultaneously?

Thanks Lazaros

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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  JimLewis on Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:58 pm

It's hard to say without a picture of the tree.

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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  Hombre on Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:38 am

Hello Jim , you absolutly right about the pictures , so here is two of them Smile




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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  JimLewis on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:01 pm

I think you are a long way from doing any "bonsai" work on this tree. And, no, it will not grow much (if at all) in that pot.

As always, I'd recommend planting it in the ground -- perhaps with a tile under the roots to help them take on a spreading aspect. If the ground is not possible, a 6-inch-deep grow box -- a foot on each side for now; larger later -- would be a good start.

I can't imagine how you'd even decide on a "style" for the tree yet, but I suppose you could wire the trunk to put some movement in it. That will, of course, exclude any possibility of a formal upright. But I think it is too early. There may be several trunk chops in its future.

But I'm far from being a pine expert.

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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  Hombre on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:22 pm

Thank you Jim , your opinion is very close to what i'm thinking about this tree before making this post.
However i think maybe is possible to plant the tree in the ground but also wirred the trunk so in a form by now that it is easier to bend and not after that has a good thickness.

p.s when I was writing to let the tree in a pot I definitely don't had this pot on my mind Very Happy

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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  craigw on Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:09 pm

Hi Hombre, The problem with your tree is that it has no growth down low. When you buy plants for bonsai its much better if you look for low growth to give you more style options. However the problem is not insurmountable. I think you should wrap the trunk in raffia and apply some very strong copper wire then put some pretty serious curves into it and in this way you can compress the trunk and bring the foliage down lower. Once the tree has recovered from this operation then transfer it into a larger pot and grow it like crazy to set the trunk. When doing this be careful to preserve that little branch at the base so you can grow it to thicken the base of the tree.
I would also shorten by two thirds the big strong growths at the top of the tree to encourage back budding.
Hope this helps
Craig

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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  Guest on Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:17 pm

I beg to differ. There is some growth at the base of these 2 trees. If the tops were reduced significantly, those weaker low buds would strengthen. They would be better, made into smaller bonsai, or developed from a lower point.

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Re: My first Pinus nigra

Post  Hombre on Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:06 pm

Thank you both, each of you add something for helping me to move forward.
I try to do my best and keep you posting Smile

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