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Post  mathias on Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:09 pm

Dear Mr Hungtran.
In another topic, "paradi" ask to Koda to post in another topic; I do it for him :

"Thank you for sharing all stones you are been Post. Learn thing not good are still learning.
I has been read all your (Killing) CUT Stones .
But Let Me ASK you some questions ?
> VN are alots of nice Stone Right (BLK Stone) ?
> Do you have more natural Stone ,than CUT stones?
> Why you are LOVE to CUT< Kill> Stones ?
Please Try To Uncut Stone that mean You are Love nature,
The Suiseki Lover They're always Love the Bone of Stone,The tase of the Nature
Finaly You can Cut, But when you Cut Stone that mean we have No Choice ! <NO CHOICE= Means Stone Must Look So Beautyful/ Awesome #9-10>
All My Words are From Bottom of my Heart ,Love ART It's mean You are live with Natures
@ believe that life is worth living ,and your belief will help create the fact

Best
Koda"


I'm agree with Koda.

Suiseki are, in the beginning, meditation objects. I imagine that it was not important to have a lot of suiseki.
I have the impression that some collectors cut a lot of stones for having a big collection. No spirituality in that. I have not a lot of suiseki, it's not a problem for me. I prefer to have 3 or 4 uncut stones (and "respect" natural evolution) than have many cut-stones, everywhere in my house ! The sentimental value is very different.
I think that it's really essential ! It's not a point of detail !

Is-it a embarrassing subject for you ?

NB : no agressivity in my post ! Smile

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Re: cut or uncut stones

Post  trantanhung_nt on Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:58 am

Dear Mr. HARO KODA,
Dear Mr. MATHIAS ,
and All Friends ,
Many thanks all Post by You .
I've been reading and studying theses articles ...
On " CUT or UNCUT " , I was thinking as follow :
Stone is a great source energy , our globe is the largest stone , the stone that we use in : Rock landscape , natural stone, SUISEKI stone , Art stone ...They are Small stone , but in them : natural characteristics ,features art , features " SUISEKI " contained in they ... are extremely .
I am looking for my collections of art rock scene .
I am pay attention to study " DAIZA - SUISEKI - Japanese .
I try to respect the characteristics precious contained in STONE ... ( for my stones ... sometimes , i had to cut stone because there is no way options )
Many thanks you have bonded my articles .
Best Regards .
Hung-Tran .

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Post  trantanhung_nt on Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:51 pm

Dear Mr. HARO KODA ,
Dear Mr. MATHIAS ,
And All Friends ,
I answered the post of Mr. KODA :
1_In cuting stone , CUT is NOT < KILL > :
_ In fact , CUT STONE is : CUT the partical " USELESS " of stone , and to enrich the partical " USEFUL " of stone
For example : When I take picture ( same CUT stone ) , If i know the limists of natural scenery ... I can make a beautiful and natural picture . So , cuting stone can hold in it full nature .
2_Why you are lover CUT STONE ?
_ No , I'm not LOVE cut stone .
But I think : choice cut stone is the only choice and NOT HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE .
For Example : One Stone following :
A _ Picture of all stone : ( It's USELESS )

B _ CUT : Make 2 beautiful landcape stone :
1_

2_
How do you feel about them ?
Thank you All Friends .
Best Regards ,
Hung Tran .

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Re: cut or uncut stones

Post  Chris Cochrane on Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:18 pm

IBC gives us each a chance to speak. A nice aspect of the the forum is providing a bridge to come together for discussion.

No one is hiding their true feeling. Re' viewing stones, everyone speaks with emotion, intelligence & limitations. The humility of understanding your own limitations is a lesson which many value when studying stones.

Emotional-charged language or references to suggest a "more perfected" knowledge or understanding weaken arguments about appreciation. It would be nice to hear people open to discussion & learning others' appreciation.

When you find a person who understands one other person's feeling about stones, it is rare. There will be some nuance that is assumed.

This past Sunday (July 18th), Potomac Viewing Stone Group (my stone club) visited Sean Smith at his home. I listened and learned from Sean that his daiza-carving teacher (Mr. Koji Suzuki) does not care whether a suiseki daiza has four or five feet on its front side. Peter B. (our Sloval Republic contributor) has said the same. I've read it from others. It seems I should not limit myself, as I have, to only using 2, 3 or 5 feet for the front-view of suiseki daiza.

Cutting is an issue for which we will disagree. Mr. Hung-Tran makes his point that a stone with no utility for viewing can be cut to present a landscape view. Mathias and others counter that it is so easy to cut a stone to make a landscape view that the result is valueless to them.

It is okay to disagree as long as we can continue to come together to share our respectful appreciation. No one is intentionally or unintentionally "killing" stones unless you demand your perspective (or your teacher's pertspecive) is superior to all-others.

Passing on stones which require cutting, it does feel an authentic distinction. I wince at my best friend choosing stones which require cutting, but I think he finds great satisfaction from them. I am happy to see us select stones together for club exhibits without ill will as to what stones are acceptable.

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Post  peterbrod on Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:54 pm

Trantanhung-cut stone-learned dai(Japan?) pig

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Post  trantanhung_nt on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:25 am

Dear Mr. CHRIS COCHRANE ,
Dear Mr. PETERBROD ,
And All Friends ,
Thank you All ,
Thank you the articles depth and complete that Mr. CHRIS , he has opened for me ( about " CUT and UNCUT stone
)
Thank you for the practice images of Mr. PETERBROD , he was guiding me ( It's easi and understable )
This is My uncut stone :
How do you feel about It ?
Thank you
Best Regards ,
Hung - Tran .




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Post  peterbrod on Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:42 pm

trantanhung sunny

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Post  ngoquangvu06 on Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:04 pm

to-cut-or-not-to-cut/
http://suisekiart.com/2008/03/09/to-cut-or-not-to-cut/

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