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Post  Ricky Keaton on Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:37 am



is now the time to remove all the new candles ?
i am so afraid of doing something wrong!
it is a healthy and woolly tree u can tell by the long needles.
HELP!

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Japanese Black Pine Budding

Post  bonsaisr on Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:14 am

Here we go, the blind leading the blind. Rolling Eyes
First of all, you seem to have some bar branches, but I am no expert on pine styling, so I hope someone else will answer.
I'm puzzled. I don't see any candles on your tree. confused I see full grown shoots. I also have a JBP, & it had candles in May. I cut them back to varying degrees, & removed a few entirely. Now it is full of new shoots. I cut off a couple on an overactive branch.
Go here: http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/pines.htm
If you Google, you will find other good articles on training JBP. Go to Bonsai4Me. There is also one by Julian Adams.
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Post  JimLewis on Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:04 pm

Yes. I'm with Iris. I see no "candles" to remove here. Maybe if you cut the branches back a little . . . ?

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Re: japanese black pine budding

Post  Ricky Keaton on Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:32 am

so is now the time to cut branches back?
or is that heavy pruning and should be done in late winter,
and the reason for me asking about removing the buds is to get it to bud back further.
maybe i should be asking for styling help?
like bonsaisr says about the bar branch.

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Post  bonsaisr on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:21 pm

I don't recall where Xenia is, but I think you had better join the nearest bonsai club, where a more experienced member can tell you exactly what to do with your particular tree.

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Re: japanese black pine budding

Post  Ricky Keaton on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:15 pm

Iris do u remember the tornado that Xenia had in 1974?
or how bout the one in 2000?
the 2000 tornado got my house and half my bonsai the other half of my trees were stolen cos i had no where to keep them.
and i had to leave them at the destroyed house unprotected. i did find them but the guy didnt water them just put them in his back yard and they were dead by the time i did find them.

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Post  bonsaisr on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:59 pm

How sad. We all have stories. I just lost one of my best bonsai because I was so groggy from the wrong medication that I couldn't pay attention to my trees for a few days.
I see Xenia is near Dayton. They don't meet in July, but contact someone from the local club about your pine tree.
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Post  bonsaisr on Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:01 pm

How sad. We all have stories. I just lost one of my best bonsai because I was so groggy from the wrong medication that I couldn't pay attention to my trees for a few days.
I see Xenia is near Dayton. They don't meet in July, but contact someone from the local club about your pine tree.
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Re: japanese black pine budding

Post  Ricky Keaton on Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:13 am

is there a bar problem?

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Re: japanese black pine budding

Post  marcus watts on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:59 am

Hi Ricky.

Perfect tree to work with - better to have too much than too little. The steps with the pine are quite easy and follow a logical sequence.

First you remove the old needles from 2 & 3 years ago - you have lots of them ! Very Happy
looks like this - just last years needles on


Then you need to reduce last years needles to 4 or 5 pairs (keep the ones near the end!) - now you have bare branches with a little tuft of needles around this years candle. This lets in light and air so there is space for the new back buds to appear.

Your pine should look like a plucked chicken......... Very Happy Shocked


When the new candles (they are there if you look closely guys) start opening their needles properly cut off all the smaller ones - 2 weeks later cut off the biggest strong ones. This gave the weak areas a 2 week head start in making new buds. Now the tree looks like the plucked chicken again.

Over the next 6 weeks new buds form at the cuts and on the bare branches. Select 2 buds to keep on each end if you get 3 or more. These will open smaller and shorter - now feed the tree.

in winter remove the 4 or 5 pairs of old needles where the new buds opened properly, reduce the new needles to 4 or 5 pairs on these new shoots and start again. This never ends and done properly the tree gets really dense in a few years.

have fun,

Marcus

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Re: japanese black pine budding

Post  Ricky Keaton on Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:48 pm




can that be considered a bar branch?

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Post  marcus watts on Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:47 pm

it doesnt make much difference if they are bar branches if you need them both for the design - just make sure they both are not visible from the front. The whorl above will cause more problems in the future though with so many branches in a very similar area - the trunk will swell to a big bulge unless they are thinned out i think.

cheers Marcus

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