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Post  moyogijohn on Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:51 pm

I found a cedar at a local nursery that will be good for a bonsai.I had them cut the top off at the branch that will be the new apex..nothing else but easing it out of the container to see the roots. they are a solid mass filling the pot..do i do anything else to the tree now??? like always i need your help again!! thanks in advance john

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:28 pm

Howzit John,

I have two that are growing it the ground. If it's possible, can you post pic's of your blue atlas please. Much Mahalo. Very Happy

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Post  moyogijohn on Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:46 pm

Tim,I will get my daughter to post the tree if i can keep her still long enougth.. there is not too much to it right now..ithink it can be if i can keep it alive long enough tho...how can you grow ceder there?? i did not think it would be cold enough for them to rest in winter.. John

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:12 pm

Howzit John,

I had mine as a seedling for about a year now and it's growing strong. Let's see after a few years from now if it's still growing.

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Blue Atlas Cedar

Post  moyogijohn on Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:18 pm


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Blue Atlas Cedar

Post  moyogijohn on Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:19 pm

This is the cedar that I have posted on questions forum. Any advice would be helpful.
Thank you so much!
John

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Post  moyogijohn on Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:12 pm

I have this in the wrong place as usual but here is the tree ..thank you I am sorry...john

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Post  fiona on Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:27 pm

No you haven't - fret ye not. As I said in my PM, I merged the two topics so that people could see the "full story" rather than jump between boards. It was a simple case of merge the shorter one into the longer one.

Re the tree. I have had a number of these and allowing for climatic differences across the ocean, If I was aiming for a larger tree (ie Chuhin and bigger) I'd usually let mine grow a bit more substantial branch structure before doing much to it unless it was to bend the trunks into a cascade or semi-cascade. I've found Blue Atlas Cedars work well as both of these styles. I also often use these trees as demo trees for hands-on introduction to bonsai sessions as they are inexpensive and plentiful in my local nursery and when young and whippy are very malleable. They also throw out new growth from the trunk fairly extensively which develops into new branches - similar to larch in that respect.

I only have a shohin one in development at the moment. I will try to take a pic tomorrow sometime but it is far from show ready.

btw I've found that over here at the beginning of hot spell they tend to drop needles almost to the point of being denuded and do a good impression of being dead. In most cases they have put on a new growth successfully and quickly.

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:08 am

Howzit John,

Nice tree. ThumbsUp

If you get a chance, check out this book "The Art of Natural Bonsai" by Dave Joyce. I highly recommend it. It has a lot of good information and he also has a case history of his blue atlas cedar from a garden center stock.

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Post  moyogijohn on Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:24 pm

Thank you Tim for the book title.. What do you think of this tree fof a bonsai?? have a good day..john

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:15 pm

A'ole Pilikea (No Problem) I think this tree would be a good bonsai. As you know cedars take a long time to develop. So if your in it for the long haul it'll be a nice tree. Very Happy

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Post  craigw on Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:58 pm

I have a couple of blue atlas cedars in my collection that I inherited from an older grower 15yrs ago. I love them as bonsai but as you have been told they are very slow to develop especially once you have put them in a bonsai pot. With a tree like yours it could be a good plant to plant it in a bigger pot and spend some time growing it on. With a nice open potting mix and plenty of food you should be able to develop it much more quickly than if you commit it to a bonsai pot straight away. Interesting that Fiona should talk about needle drop this is something I have never experienced and it gets mighty hot here in summer. Most of the year I grow my cedars in full sun but protect them from the really fierce heat of summer(once the temps get above 35 degrees). I also repot them during the warmest months of the year. Good luck.
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Post  moyogijohn on Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:58 am

Craig,,you say that you repot in summer?? I know nowit is fall or winter there..i am going to put the tree in a larger pot for this year..when do you prune and wire?? i got 2 larches and just washed the roots down no pruneing they are not doing so well..i guess i need to learn a lot more aboutthis type of trees thank you john

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Post  bonsaisr on Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:25 am

moyogijohn wrote:i got 2 larches and just washed the roots down no pruneing they are not doing so well.
Good grief!!! affraid
Quick Fiona, we need a thread for larches.
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Post  craigw on Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:13 am

Yes I repot/rootprune in January which is mid summer here. I used to do it in spring after the new growth had hardened off and always experienced a level of needle drop. Then I spoke to a very experienced cedar grower about it and he told me to try repotting them on the hottest day of the year, I have to say I found that advice a bit alarming, but since I have started potting them in the warm weather there has been no more needle drop. Of course the trees go into total shade for a few weeks until they recover. I know nothing about larch having never grown one so can't help you there.
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